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Didn't know which thread to put this in so I figured I'd create a whole new one.
It's probably been discussed many times already, but in reading the board it kind of bothers me that some people are already growing so wary of what Turgeon is doing here. Are the expectations for him that high that we are expecting a top 25 team in his first season with his players? Are we forgetting that we haven't even made the NIT in the past two seasons? Turge inherited a roster of Terrell Stoglin, Sean Mosley, James Padgett, Pe'shon Howard, Ashton fucking Pankey, Mychal Parker, and Berend Weijs with an incoming Nick Faust. That is atrocious. In his first season, with two ACC-caliber players (Stoglin and Mosley) and an extremely young, raw Alex Len, he miraculously went 17-15. As it's been said before, that will probably be Turgeon's best ever coaching job at Maryland. Between then and the start of this past season, Turgeon completely purged the roster...guys left the program that didn't fit what he was looking for (including the team's "best" player who accounted for >30% of the team's points) and he brought the best class this program has seen in quite some time. Not only that, but he added two high level transfers as well along with a fifth-year grad student. So pretty much, in eight months, Turgeon went from having a glorified MEAC team to having a rotation of ten guys, four of which are freshmen, that can all play 10+ minutes at a pretty high level. Bear in mind, two of those ten guys, in Pe'shon and Padgett, aren't even his guys (and probably not coincidentally, are playing less and less as the season progresses), and another two, in Dez and Logan, who were playing in non-power conferences last year.
I get that the beginning of this year was a cause for lots of positivity (despite a weak OOC schedule), but all of a sudden we start 3-4 in what seems to be a conference full of parity, and Turgeon is already on the hot seat? I just don't get it. The majority of these players have never played at this level, and Turgeon has quite frankly never had to coach at this level. I get that he was at A&M and in a power conference once before and all, but there is virtually no pressure to be a basketball coach at that school...it's not Maryland. Should there be a more definitive rotation and more defined roles within the offense? Sure, but I can imagine that coaching this team is pretty difficult. It's bad enough that there is no trustworthy PG on the entire roster, but there is also no senior leadership and we are dealing with young (and sometimes immature) kids here.
All I'm saying is that I think the knocks on Turge right now are unnecessary. Not only has MT and staff been all over the recruiting scene (both locally and nationally), but he is bringing this program back to national relevance in other ways as well. The culture surrounding Maryland basketball is as positive as it has been since the Natty, and that is with good reason. In terms of this year, just let it play out. I'm as frustrated as anyone else is with some of the subbing patterns and what is often a stagnant offense, but give the guy some time...he is learning right along with the players. IMO, this is still a tournament team this year...with Pe'shon and Padgett being phased out of the lineup little by little, this team is only going to improve. Whoever is taking up the ball for this team today is going to be better at taking up the ball in three weeks (at least I would imagine so), and this team is going to come together rather quickly.
Just my five cents. In Turgeon We Trust.
How can you state that he is bringing the program into national relevance and that the culture surrounding is as positive its been since the natty?
You can argue that MT Is the right man, and these are growing pains. However, our program has zero national buzz and I am pretty sure we had some pretty good vibes around the program GV's senior season.
Is Turgeon really on the hot seat? I don't see anybody calling for him to be fired. I do think its fair to have some concerns about the style of play and our offensive sets. What do you expect people to be talking about?
It's not necessarily a consistent national buzz, but there have been plenty of instances in the past eight or so months where Maryland basketball has at least garnered national attention (Harrison twins, loss to Kentucky, hot start to the season, beating NC State). And in terms of a positive culture surrounding the program, just look at what local recruits and coaches are saying about Turgeon and about where the program is heading. When did that happen with Gary?
EDIT: This is in response to Colbert
This post was edited by GimmeTheShimmy 15 months ago
Yes, we are not relevant nationally.
And he's not on the hot seat, but how the team has performed in conference play doesn't reflect well upon him. There is enough talent on this team to make the NCAA Tournament.
Go away, KA!
I think there are two types of peril some of the concerned folks are experiencing of late. One is purely results-based. And the other is a more nuanced view of what they're seeing on the court and in turn, meshing it with some forecasts for the future.
Results - I don't think anyone really thought we'd be any good in year 1. In fact, I think most people thought Turge did a pretty good coaching job and that we probably even exceeded expectations with our roster...Year 2 is where the base started to raise expectations. We reeled in our best class in a longtime so freshmen were hyped. It snowballed with a competative loss against a Kentucky team that went from #3 to the bubble and then an OOC slate that offered few real challenges. The only game we really shouldn't have dropped and did was FSU. That's basically it for me. I think that in terms of sheer results, flipping the FSU game would change a lot around here. As it is though, it's a game we lost ground with and have to make up something on the road.
On the court - There's panic over the offensive woes. Turge's reputation stems more from the defensive end. The A&M base, who clearly wanted to retain Turge, were even somewhat critical of the read and react O. You essentially have people asking (fair) questions. Why is Len only getting six shot up @ Duke? Why are we turning the ball over at an alarming rate? Why do basic A to B passes look so cumbersome? I think you have some people that wonder why the coach hasn't found answers for those yet and are worried beyond what the 15-5 record is. Then there's our inseparable pg situation. People know we're losing Len and aren't sure if Roddy can handle the job right away. And so they ask how are we better a year from now. When that happens, sugar plums and 4 straight years without a tourney berth dance in their heads.
As far as recruiting goes I think most people that aren't Hogie are pleased with who we have on board and '14's potential. I think between Len, Smotrycz, Aronhalt, and Wells people are also encouraged by his ability to just go get players when there's the chance to add a piece.
But I think at its core the FSU loss stings (every other loss was basically a game we were a dog in from preseason up until the day the game was played). And then the questions about the root cause of our offensive woes. Is it coaching? Is it point guard deficiencies? There's no hard answer for it so you're getting the board's default position: Panic.
Personally, I do think some of the offensive criticisms and unsettled rotations are fair. But I can also see us still improving in those areas, stealing back the FSU game, and putting together a tourney-worthy resume. The season can go either way. If we make the tournament and get that Selection Sunday juice going again I think the possession arrow would tilt back in Turge's favor pretty easily.
This post was edited by indianajones4 15 months ago
I think this is a fair set of expectations. I love Gary but he left nothing for Turge to work with. I think it's less that Turge hasn't adapted his coaching style to the new talent as some say, so much as having no PG (even on a somewhat talented though young team) just kills a team.
I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right?
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