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Frankly they've both sucked coaching at Maryland since 2004.
I wonder how MT took A&M to 4 straight NCAAs? GW had his great stretch but was very average post 2002. Some people are delusional but I guess it's understandable. I have grown very tired of it.
Sad..but true. But, you really have to give Turge some credit for the recruiting effort. He really did inherit a crap storm.
I still remember that long thread from about 2 years ago or less thanking Gary for how great he left the program for Turge. I wish I could remember who started that.
This is way less of a "disaster" than Gary's program was over much of the past decade. At least we're wired to recruit, so even if it doesn't work out the next guy won't come in to a A10 roster with an uncoachable gunner as a star player. I don't think we'll see a revolving door of transfers who can't play or scrambling for the Evans and Stephensons of the world.
I do have concerns with the makeup of this staff going forward though. I don't like the idea of 2 of the 3 guys on the staff being foot soldier recruiting types. Ideally you'd have a pure coach type, a high paid guy who is known for both, then one relationship recruiter. It's especially worrisome that Spinelli is going to be up for jobs every offseason, god knows what we'd do then.
So A&M and Big 12 is not big time? Sorry but MT's record at A&M was better than GW's over the same stretch. There is no way MT is over his head. If he was taking over for GW in 2003 I might agree but the program really droped over the last ten years.
Morgan State loss - we had a roster with the likes of Dupree, Jin-Soo Choi, Bowie, Tucker, Neal and Mosley. How did that season end? We made it to the (real) 2nd round of the tournament that year. Again, talent issues, not coaching.
American, Ohio, Clemson losses - all in the same season. Clemson was a rare dagger anomaly game. We had a pretty terrible roster this year as well. Clearly a talent issue, not a coaching issue.
Manhattan loss - no one cared, especially Gary who hated the NIT to begin with.
Not comparable at all to losing to inferior talented teams like FSU and BC AND getting clearly out-coached in both of them.
MT would find another coach. He is very well connected. I think you might have a point with the other two guys. I could see if DH was brining in a couple top 10 - 20 guys but isn't delivering on that level.
I knew most people would say Hill should go, but quite frankly his wheelhouse pipeline looks much more stocked over the next 3-4 classes than Bino. Not to mention he's tied to our next two incoming recruits.
So how the hell did MT get it done at A&M? You act like that is some crap conference. Also Donahue is a very good coach. He got it done at freaking Cornell so that is the talent level he use to coaching. I don't think it's a winning plan at the ACC level.
This post was edited by sabreterp 14 months ago
LOL at trying to go through all those pathetic losses and trying to justify all of it. Also, outstanding use of excluding key facts.
Morgan State loss - Junior Greivis was also on that team and was a beast.
American, Ohio, Clemson losses - "Clearly a talent issue" We had sophmore Greivis and senior Gist, both All ACC 2nd teamers that season. To say that we were less talented than these teams is laughable.
Manhattan loss - "no one cared" Good call.
I'm sure moving from a team with 3 upperclassmen and one of the top PGs college basketball to a team with no PG where he has to create all of his own shots is a fair comparison! Its definitely not that though, its clearly Turge coaching him to turn it over.
A disaster would be Sidney Lowe. We're nowhere near that.
He is being paid as the lead guy. If he is delivering than stick with him. I am ok with the current makeup.
I'm glad you did it because I was too busy laughing at the delusion that those teams had no talent. And I stopped listening to his ridiculousness when he compared Sean Mosley to Braxton DuPree and Jin Soo Choi. Credibility completely lost.
This post was edited by terpfan83 14 months ago
Do you think maybe it made a difference that Wells played with Tu Holloway and Mark Lyons last year and didn't have to try do everything himself at times? And probably didn't have any primary ballhandling responsibilities? Just stop because you're digging your hole deeper and deeper.
MT has said as much. It's not worth going over and over again with these people that pine for GW. They are delusional about the last 10 years.
This hurts a lot less if you just accept neither has been any good at MD the past decade or so. Stop trying to pit them against each other. They're both responsible for this joke of an irrelevant program.
I'm not taking either side here, but I will say that most of those past 10 years under Gary, the ACC was a MUCH better conference than it is at the moment, our out of conference schedule was much harder, and college basketball in general was being played at a higher level.
I didn't say those teams had no talent, but they definitely had a talent issue which was definitely the reason for their poor performance that season. Are you just going to throw out the rest of the context of Gary's career to understate his coaching abilities to try and defend that 'talent' of that squad? I wasn't comparing Mosley to those other players either. Each of them had flaws, Mosley was great defensively but certainly wasn't much of a scorer. You're pretty good at misinterpreting everything I am saying.
Once again, people missing the point of my thread entirely. I'm not defending Gary's performance over the last 10 years. I loved Gary *and* I was also glad he retired. The reason for the thread was to suggest that he could definitely contribute to helping solve some of the team's issues, especially regarding Turgeon's struggles with the team right now.
Let's recap for those of you who are just skimming the thread:
1) Gary was a fantastic in-game coach and the vast majority of his woes over the last 10 years of his career were due to a lack of talent from lazy recruiting.
2) Turgeon is struggling with his in-game coaching and is not showing signs of improvement in hardly any of the areas he is struggling in.
3) Gary, if the situation made sense and was a mutual thing, could definitely lend a helping hand to Turgeon - even if it's as little as an occasional informal phone call to get Gary's insight.
We aren't a good team and rarely have been one for the past 10 years.
I didn't say we were. I was just pointing out that college basketball is really down this year, as is the ACC, and our nonconference schedule under Gary was usually much tougher than this.
GW picked this team mid pack ACC. I am sure he saw the youth and pg issues. Also how do you know GW and MT haven't discussed the situation?
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