General Sports Water Cooler

Nobody, except Jerry Sandusky, even knows who the victim is, let alone if he's six, 10 or 16 years old. McQ estimated his age at 10 years old. That's all anyone has to go on.

What I respect most about that article is that it insists, over and over, on calling a spade a spade.

This is not about "fondling," or "indiscretion," nor even "sexual assault" or whatever euphemisms the media reports continually employ in order to describe this horror in ways that are fit for family newspapers.

This is about the raping of children. Often, the anal rape of young boys. It should be written that way every single time so that the enormity of the horrors visited on these children is impossible to escape. If it makes people uncomfortable, then so be it. It should be called what it is ad nauseum, until the basic common sense embodied by this simple decision matrix sinks into every last PSU cultist's thick skull:

Usually I agree with this line of reasoning, but I think this case is different. I went to the ND game with a bunch of former ND players and alums, the players agreed on the same thing: the fact that this has been covered up so long and by so many people leads one to believe that there is the potential for much more shit to come out and that people will be giving up information to save their own asses.

These guys said that you can hold very little under wraps with a locker room of 100+ guys and another 100 support and training staff.

Another thing that came out during the course of the conversation is that Penn State, going back to the early stages of JoPa, was one of the dirtiest programs out there. Most of these guys were in school from like 68 through the 70s and from the northeast/midwest. A lot of if was from alums, like real Blue Chips stuff.

Clearly. Although anti-child rape appears to be a better agenda than pro-child rape.

I also agree that too much has happened in this story to automatically dismiss anything as a wild rumor regardless of how farfetched it may seem. 2 weeks ago this whole thing would have appeared to be in the same category. I also do not think Madden is some johnny come lately in terms of this story. He and the patriot news were the first to put their necks out and he appears pretty comfortable doing it again. the other thing he insinuates is that there are two ongoing investigations into the claim of the pimp ring. If they've been ongoing since prior to the story break, then I would think they may have some clue or lead, or at least enough to continue probing.

I have no clue whether the rumor could be true or not, but I'm in the boat of not being surprised anymore.

I also don't think the judge thing is exaggerated. the connection is either there or not and if it is, it may create a doubt on her ability to be impartial. You add the fact that she required a bond 1/5 of what the prosecutor requested and did not require payment or an ankle monitor, and then you can imagine why people are furthering the concern of her bias or lack thereof. She probably isn't but that's not the point.

Has anyone seen "Hot Fuzz?" Because that is what this is turning into - a community protecting itself at all costs.

The article about Paterno hushing up things as seemingly minor (by comparison) as significant injuries during practice (IIRC, a player had partial paralysis following a concussion, was in the hospital, and Paterno said "just the normal bumps and bruises" when a reporter asked; injury only came to light because family told the kids HS-town paper), really does a good job of conveying just how all-encompassing this cult's desire for total secrecy was.

I think its more likely that Sandusyky had dirt on JoePa as read in the article from NBC he hated JoePa. and maybe even Joe Pa was afraid to report this because he didnt want this type of thing associated with his program. I dont think it necessarily means that there is more ot this than the cover up of an isolated incident. Joe Pa is a narcissist, and from one narcissist to another the one thing you hate more than anything else is to look weak, vulnerable or have someone holding something over your head.

Greater goood.

Didn't take long :)

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#BREAKING (1) #Sandusky witness, McQueary email to fmr. teammates: "I did the right thing…you guys know me…" #PennState

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#BREAKING (2) McQueary: "... the truth is not out there fully... I didn't just turn and run... I made sure it stopped..."

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#BREAKING (3) McQueary: "... I had to make quick tough decisions…" #PennState @NBCNews #Exclusive

He had to make the quick, tough decision to not tell the police about it for ten years.

I wonder what has kept McQueary quiet for so long if he in fact did do the "right thing" whatever his definition is? I mean sure its possible that he was assured things were dealt with, but he saw Sandusky around. Unless he was bought off. No wonder he hasn't been let go yet. Easier for UPS to control if he's an employee.