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Rank the Elite 8 coaches

  • If you're talking about accomplishments, sure. If you actually want to know who the best coach is, not even close.

    Tabe

  • I think people are way too reliant on number of titles. One of these guys is going to win a first or another title this year. That doesn't mean they became better coaches by even a little bit in a week.

    If anyone would want to change their list after next Monday, they would have to say that they were wrong as opposed to saying that someone moved up on the list.

    Chip Kelly --> NFL --> Fired --> Maryland

    Hogie

  • Pretty much. Is there anyone out there who is dumb enough to believe that Calipari or Matta CAN'T win a title just because they haven't?

    The tournament is a crap shoot. The coach's job is to assemble the best team and get the most out of it. Whether one of your losses happened to be a few rounds earlier in a single elimination tournament is largely irrelevant.

    This post was edited by Tabe on 3/25/2012 at 2:43 PM

    Tabe

  • My list is still looking the best

    Self and Boeheim could be switched at the 4/5 slots though....I had trouble with that decision when I initially made that list...just gave Boeheim the edge because he was in Blue Chips

    if Calipari doesn't win a ship this year, he moves down the list...there's no reason in the world that he shouldn't be able to close this out...he has the best team this year, far and away...

    1. Pitino - He's still living off of his UK days but whatever
    2. Roy - He sucks on Xs and Os but he's still got the accomplishments
    3. Donovan...2 titles, decent runs since
    4. Boeheim...should have more accomplishments than he has but his zone defense gets shit done
    5. Self...got a ship
    6. Calipari...underachiever but recruiting is part of the game
    7. Matta ...still on his way up
    8. Drew...josh pastner with better players...eh

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by JoeBlack84 on 3/25/2012 at 5:02 PM

    Good. Things. Do. Not. Happen. For. D.C./MD. Sports.

    JoeBlack84

  • Because I'm bored:

    1. Pitino
    2. Calipari
    3. Donovan
    4. Roy
    5. Self
    6. Boeheim
    7. Matta
    8. Drew

    Although I think you could put #1-3 in pretty much any order. Ditto #4-6.

    This post was edited by fuzzy510 on 3/26/2012 at 1:41 AM

    fuzzy510

  • Bill Self's last 3 games against Roy (all in the NCAA Tournament):

    2001: 80-64
    2008: 84-66
    2012: 80-67

    He hasn't passed Roy in terms of accomplishments (7 Final Fours and 2 NC is nothing to sniff at) but Self clearly owns Roy. And anyone putting Calipari ahead of Self is seriously LOL.

    #1 - Pitino
    #2 - Self
    #3 - Roy
    #4 - Donovan
    #5 - Calipari
    #6 - Matta
    #7 - Boeheim
    #8 - Drew

    I almost want to put Drew ahead of Boeheim. 2 Elite 8's in 3 years at Baylor >>>> 5 Elite 8's in 35 years at Syracuse. Boeheim is staggeringly overrated, maybe moreso than any coach in the country.

    vadimivich

  • vadimivich said...

    Bill Self's last 3 games against Roy (all in the NCAA Tournament):

    2001: 80-64 2008: 84-66 2012: 80-67

    He hasn't passed Roy in terms of accomplishments (7 Final Fours and 2 NC is nothing to sniff at) but Self clearly owns Roy. And anyone putting Calipari ahead of Self is seriously LOL.

    #1 - Pitino #2 - Self #3 - Roy #4 - Donovan #5 - Calipari #6 - Matta #7 - Boeheim #8 - Drew

    I almost want to put Drew ahead of Boeheim. 2 Elite 8's in 3 years at Baylor >>>> 5 Elite 8's in 35 years at Syracuse. Boeheim is staggeringly overrated, maybe moreso than any coach in the country.

    why aren't you mentioning Boeheim's 3 final 4's and national championship if you're comparing tourney success?

    AlphaOmega said... im sorry i was confusing...your "Superbowl" was the Redskins losing since you know that the Ravens cant win it all.

    TheHugeManatee

  • If you don't have Self as a top 2 coach, you seriously need to reevaluate your list. Certainly can't ignore yesterday, but this was true even before this weekend. Clearly has Roy in his back pocket.

    Im ready for aa 5th of vodica to end my feels.

    JJBittenbinder

  • TheHugeManatee said...

    why aren't you mentioning Boeheim's 3 final 4's and national championship if you're comparing tourney success?

    Because that's basically all of the success that Boeheim's ever had, over a 35 year career. That's a very poor rate of return for an "elite" coach. Everyone else on that list (bar Drew) has done better, and in much shorter time frames.

    Boeheim is a good coach. Not great. And certainly should never be in the conversation with most of the rest of that list.

    vadimivich

  • vadimivich said...

    Bill Self's last 3 games against Roy (all in the NCAA Tournament):

    2001: 80-64
    2008: 84-66
    2012: 80-67

    He hasn't passed Roy in terms of accomplishments (7 Final Fours and 2 NC is nothing to sniff at) but Self clearly owns Roy. And anyone putting Calipari ahead of Self is seriously LOL.

    #1 - Pitino
    #2 - Self
    #3 - Roy
    #4 - Donovan
    #5 - Calipari
    #6 - Matta
    #7 - Boeheim
    #8 - Drew

    I almost want to put Drew ahead of Boeheim. 2 Elite 8's in 3 years at Baylor >>>> 5 Elite 8's in 35 years at Syracuse. Boeheim is staggeringly overrated, maybe moreso than any coach in the country.

    Care to explain why Self > Cal or is it just "LOL"?

    balderdash

    ZackGreinkeTerp

  • Apparently Roy had no idea Kansas ran the triangle and 2 yesterday.

    b1210k

  • ZackGreinkeTerp said...

    Care to explain why Self > Cal or is it just "LOL"?

    Self has won more and won more consistently than Cal in the regular season over his career and he beat him head to head in the '08 Final Four (in which by the way, KU went to a "junk" defense on CDR and Rose similar to the one he used last night to fuel the comeback). And he's done it without having season's wiped out by the NCAA.

    I think Calipari is a very good coach. And I don't really have an issue with him treating the NCAA like the hypocritical body that it is. I just think Self is better and has proven it over his career.

    vadimivich

  • the only thing wrong with calipari is the whole vacated seasons thing.

    he's gotten to the 3rd round each of the past 7 years. that's pretty impressive.

    AlphaOmega said... im sorry i was confusing...your "Superbowl" was the Redskins losing since you know that the Ravens cant win it all.

    TheHugeManatee

  • vadimivich said...

    Self has won more and won more consistently than Cal in the regular season over his career and he beat him head to head in the '08 Final Four (in which by the way, KU went to a "junk" defense on CDR and Rose similar to the one he used last night to fuel the comeback). And he's done it without having season's wiped out by the NCAA.

    I think Calipari is a very good coach. And I don't really have an issue with him treating the NCAA like the hypocritical body that it is. I just think Self is better and has proven it over his career.

    The junk defense Kansas played against Memphis was the reason Memphis built their lead. It didn't fuel the comeback, it just caused Rose to go off.

    HumphreyBogart

  • vadimivich said...

    Self has won more and won more consistently than Cal in the regular season over his career and he beat him head to head in the '08 Final Four (in which by the way, KU went to a "junk" defense on CDR and Rose similar to the one he used last night to fuel the comeback). And he's done it without having season's wiped out by the NCAA.

    I think Calipari is a very good coach. And I don't really have an issue with him treating the NCAA like the hypocritical body that it is. I just think Self is better and has proven it over his career.

    Self - @ Kansas: 268–52 (.838), Career: 475–157 (.752), 2 Final Four*, 1 Title

    Calipari - @ Kentucky: 100-14 (.877), Career: 503–152 (.768), 4 Final Four**, 0 Title

    *0 vacated
    **2 vacated

    Im ready for aa 5th of vodica to end my feels.

    JJBittenbinder

  • So when Cal passes Self this weekend in career achievements, does he pass Self on your list?

    balderdash

    ZackGreinkeTerp

  • JJBittenbinder said...

    Self - @ Kansas: 268–52 (.838), Career: 475–157 (.752), 2 Final Four*, 1 Title

    Calipari - @ Kentucky: 100-14 (.877), Career: 503–152 (.768), 4 Final Four**, 0 Title

    *0 vacated **2 vacated

    I rate Self's 10 B1G/Big XII titles in the last 12 seasons (seriously, he's won 10 of 12 regular season titles in two of the best leagues in the country) pretty heavily. Calipari has won most of his games in mid-major type leagues and still hasn't been able to win his leagues as regularly, though his resume at Kentucky is very impressive right now (2 SEC regular season titles in 3 seasons).

    If he wins a national title this year, yeah - you gotta put him right in the same class as Self.

    vadimivich

  • So after this weekend they are in the same class, but right now the comparison is LOL bad?

    Okay.

    balderdash

    ZackGreinkeTerp

  • ZackGreinkeTerp said...

    So after this weekend they are in the same class, but right now the comparison is LOL bad?

    Okay.

    It's LOL until Calipari wins a title. He hasn't yet (and he very well might not).

    vadimivich

  • vadimivich said...

    It's LOL until Calipari wins a title. He hasn't yet (and he very well might not).

    I think you just got owned in this debate.

    Just my two cents.

    Canyonerooooo

  • 2 games will change your opinion that drastically?

    ajefx

  • i'm having trouble understanding why Calipari winning games in a mid-major conference discredits those wins, but Self winning a championship over a mid-major doesn't. Every argument you've made against Calipari can just as easily be applied to Self. At best, they are peers. That you're willing to change your tune over the course of 2 games speaks volumes to your argument.

    ajefx

  • ajefx said...

    i'm having trouble understanding why Calipari winning games in a mid-major conference discredits those wins, but Self winning a championship over a mid-major doesn't. Every argument you've made against Calipari can just as easily be applied to Self. At best, they are peers. That you're willing to change your tune over the course of 2 games speaks volumes to your argument.

    I think Self's domination of top level leagues is more impressive than Calipari not quite doing the same in C-USA.

    And seriously, a natty is a natty. Yeah, it's only one game - but it means a lot. Calipari isn't on Self's level until he has one.

    vadimivich

  • natty over mid major = legit
    any other win over mid major = meaningless

    Just want to make sure we're on the same page here

    btw, Cal has either won the SEC regular season or tournament (or both) in each of his three seasons at Kentucky. He is undefeated at home with the Cats. That's domination. Again, to not have the two as at least peers is, well, "LOL"

    ajefx

  • Calipari is winning at the same or even a higher rate since he moved to Kentucky.

    Devils0720

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