General Sports Water Cooler

They are the two facets of coaching, so never?

I think you misread Durr there, Tabe.

We've all seen games where Roy can't coach his way out of a paper bag, especially against undermanned Terps squads or even Duke teams, but look at his record against another coach you guys overrate, Tom Izzo. He's not completely inept and while I would put his in-game ability a tier or two lower than his recruiting, he is an innovative offensive coach.

I'd have Pitino, Calipari and Donovan in some order in my top 3. Roy is right behind them. At this point, the only definite is Drew at 8, as he's only shown to this point that he can cheat with the other 7, but not compete.

That might be part of it. The other part is that he has all that talent and still hasn't won a championship.

i don't think anyone in this thread made two separate lists, but OK.

I think that one MD fan even implied that, but whatever, clearly this thread has lots to do with Gary.

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It's kind of evident that people are separating recruiting and "coaching" when you look at how low people are ranking Roy.

Roy should have more titles with some of the teams he's assembled over the years. Hell he pretty badly underachieved with this years team IMO. The only other team that can sniff them in talent this year is Kentucky.

Or they're comparing Roy to the baseline of the places he coaches. It's not as if he's the best recruiter in the bunch, either.

He's winning at the same clip as Dean Smith with as many titles already.

What exactly is the baseline of the places he has coached if winning 80% of his games and having 2 NCs/7 FFs is somehow only good enough to have him ranked near the bottom of in most cases a less accomplished group?

Yeah. And Dean Smith BUILT the brand that Roy benefits from.

The fact that group is less accomplished means little. There are two people on that list who coached in similar situations. One was more dominant, and the other looks to be on his way to being more dominant as well.

The Matt Doherty who put together ridiculous recruiting classes in his short time there?

No one is saying he isn't a great coach. But it's a great list. Add Calhoun, K, and Izzo for Drew and that's your top ten coaches in the game. To say, hey maybe Roy isn't at the top of this group is no insult.

He didn't win did he? Doherty was a good recruiter in a great situation. My only point is that the blue blood brand is overrated. All of the blue bloods have had coaches who prove that it's not all or even mostly about the brand. They've had flat out failures, mediocre guys, and guys who lacked the total package.

Successful coaches who coach in those situations shouldn't be docked points because there have been plenty of guys in their shoes who haven't done what they've done. Winning 80% of your games, multiple titles, numerous FFs and conference titles puts you at or near the top of any coaching list, regardless of who is on it.