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Orioles vs. Royals series thread (JONES EXTENSION!)

  • This defies all logic:

    @TBrownYahoo
    Looks like Kevin Millwood is pitching himself into someone's pennant race: Last 3 GS -- at NYY, at Col, vs. Tex -- 22 IP, 0.41 ERA.

    fearthenoodle

  • SodaTerpinski said...

    Holy Shit! A day off!

    I have a chance to go back a read some of the comments, and I have learned that "sample size" is the most hackneyed phrase in all of this sports board. It's sports- not scientific data (where outside variables remain constant). There are way too many unseen variables and randomness/luck in baseball to take even an "n>30 ss" too seriously.

    I bet you don't see "the reliever chewed too much skoal last night" or "my wife denied me a bj last night" in the factor of variables for the next game.

    Never change soda.

    jsh

  • As much as we need to upgrade defense at third, I also agree that putting Andino over there and Roberts at second won't necessarily help us. You would gain offense at second but lose defense while gaining defense at third but losing a lot of offense.

    charmcity3131

  • unless the roster changes substantially via a trade, and not some AAAA retread (no offense to Miggy), we are going to need Reynolds in the lineup every day. I actually would like to stick him back at 3B since the throws are mental and maybe he can get past it, but I'm fine with a rotation of 3B, 1B and DH, with liberal use of defensive replacements late in the games. obviously Reynolds has huge faults in his game, but he was arguably our best hitter last season and his track records suggests he will do it again. I want to send him out there every night and hope he hits 20+ bombs the 2nd half.

    But if Duke can upgrade, so be it.

    The B-Rob thing will take care of itself. If he looks good the next 19 days, maybe we move Andino? He had a lot of interest this offseason.

    BCiB

  • Why can't Reynolds just DH regularly? He is literally the last person I want on the field on the 25 man roster. Betemit/Andino/Tolleson/Flaherty should be able to hold down the hot corner and if Reynolds needs to play in the field than let him play 1B.

    It becomes a little harder when/if Reimold gets back but Buck should be doing everything possible to keep Reynolds limited to 1B/DH.

    jsh

  • Reynolds should be the DH. I'd like to give Tolleson a long look these next few weeks instead of playing him so sparingly just to see what he has to offer. Like jsh said, Reimold's return would really complicate things, but I don't think that's something we have to worry about for a long time.

    charmcity3131

  • jsh said...

    Why can't Reynolds just DH regularly? He is literally the last person I want on the field on the 25 man roster. Betemit/Andino/Tolleson/Flaherty should be able to hold down the hot corner and if Reynolds needs to play in the field than let him play 1B.

    It becomes a little harder when/if Reimold gets back but Buck should be doing everything possible to keep Reynolds limited to 1B/DH.

    Betemit is not much better at 3B.

    fearthenoodle

  • @si_vault Eddie Murray gives the slit throat sign to the Indians during player intros at the 1996 playoffs: http://pic.twitter.com/i84j1I9h

    attachment

    fearthenoodle

  • ‏@JonHeymanCBS
    Roy oswalt on #orioles radar. #redsox #phillies #rangers others involved.

    banana

    fearthenoodle

  • Oswalt and a few healthy bats are enough to make us super legit

    SBryan

  • @JonHeymanCBS
    Interest in oswalt on part of upstart #orioles shouldn't be shocking, as they've said they are looking for a pitcher

    This post was edited by fearthenoodle on 5/24/2012 at 11:13 AM

    fearthenoodle

  • KLaw just released a top 25 prospects update on Insider:

    1. Dylan Bundy, RHP, Baltimore Orioles (age 19)
    Current level: High Class A (Frederick)
    Preseason ranking: 11

    The Orioles' bizarre, ultraconservative handling of Bundy aside, he didn't just dominate inferior competition in low Class A, he did it with the stuff and polish that could, in another organization, have had him in the big leagues this year or at the start of 2013. (The club finally promoted him to Frederick on Wednesday after he threw 30 scoreless innings for Delmarva to open the year, with 40 strikeouts and just five hits allowed.)

    3. Manny Machado, SS, Baltimore Orioles (age 19)
    Current level: Double-A (Bowie)
    Preseason ranking: 4

    He still has more offensive upside than Profar given his power potential, but it's not a lock that Machado stays at short (I like his chances to do so), whereas Profar is a no-doubt shortstop. And Machado has been gradually heating up as the season has gone on, if we slice the small sample into tiny ones.

    I don't think it's a stretch to say that a redraft of 2011's tremendous class would have Bundy on top, which would have made him the first prep right-hander to go first overall.

    Dylan Bundy of the Baltimore Orioles is the new No. 1 prospect in baseball - MLB - ESPN

    Keith Law updates his top 25 prospects list, and he have a new top three.

    insider.espn.go.com

    54321A

  • Another shortstop, somebody called "Jurickson Profar", was ranked 2nd.

    54321A

  • jsh said...

    Why can't Reynolds just DH regularly? He is literally the last person I want on the field on the 25 man roster. Betemit/Andino/Tolleson/Flaherty should be able to hold down the hot corner and if Reynolds needs to play in the field than let him play 1B.

    It becomes a little harder when/if Reimold gets back but Buck should be doing everything possible to keep Reynolds limited to 1B/DH.

    Davis is sporting a .606 OPS vs LHP, which should make Buck's decision easier, at least vs LHP. I think the lineup versus LHP is pretty easy, with Reynolds 1B, Andino 3B, Betemit DH. Versus RHP there are, potentially more guys to work in. Tolleson/Flaherty/Betemit 3B, Davis 1B, Reynolds/Betemit DH, with a lot depending on match ups and who's hot.

    joebookman

  • joebookman said...

    Davis is sporting a .606 OPS vs LHP, which should make Buck's decision easier, at least vs LHP. I think the lineup versus LHP is pretty easy, with Reynolds 1B, Andino 3B, Betemit DH. Versus RHP there are, potentially more guys to work in. Tolleson/Flaherty/Betemit 3B, Davis 1B, Reynolds/Betemit DH, with a lot depending on match ups and who's hot.

    Betemit should not be allowed to face LHP. He's really, really bad hitting right-handed. I'd rather start Johnson at 1B and put Reynolds at DH.

    fearthenoodle

  • @si_vault Rare Orioles pics (http://bit.ly/KUhu7m)

    fearthenoodle

  • Give me everyone but Reimold healthy in two weeks, and this is the line-ups I'd put out:

    vs. RHP
    2B Roberts
    SS Hardy
    RF Markakis
    CF Jones
    C Wieters
    1B Davis
    DH Betemit/Johnson/Reynolds
    3B Reynolds/Betemit
    LF Avery

    vs. LHP
    2B Roberts
    SS Hardy
    RF Markakis
    CF Jones
    C Wieters
    DH Reynolds/Johnson
    1B Johnson/Reynolds
    3B Andino
    LF Avery

    fearthenoodle

  • O's will be getting some love (actually hate) in this week's SI from Joe Sheehan.

    jsh

  • jsh said...

    O's will be getting some love (actually hate) in this week's SI from Joe Sheehan.

    I assume it will be something about how the pitching success isnt sustainable and he expects us to finish in last with less than 81 wins. Ground-breaking stuff.

    IVWT

  • Look, the deal is Brob has been off for like two years. He had to take time just being around the game. If his head is that messed up, there's nothing saying he's going to somehow be this huge upgrade over Andino at 2nd. Andino is better defensively, and what we'll need to see is if Brob can actually hit the ball during his rehab. If they're at close to the same level offensively, I'd rather have Andino in there.

    terp325423

  • Oswalt please!!

    charmcity3131

  • I think people need to stop with the concussion talk for now. As much as he and his doctors slow-played his rehab, I'm pretty sure that he'd have to be pretty close to 100% to be out on the field again playing in games.

    Now could he get another concussion or have a setback? Sure, at which point he's probably done for good.

    But I don't think he's going to be out there and suddenly forget what he's doing or where he's at or something.

    And people need to stop holding up Andino's defense as this HUGE upgrade. It does not compensate for his inability to hit with any type of consistency.

    fearthenoodle

  • fearthenoodle said...

    I think people need to stop with the concussion talk for now. As much as he and his doctors slow-played his rehab, I'm pretty sure that he'd have to be pretty close to 100% to be out on the field again playing in games.

    Now could he get another concussion or have a setback? Sure, at which point he's probably done for good.

    But I don't think he's going to be out there and suddenly forget what he's doing or where he's at or something.

    And people need to stop holding up Andino's defense as this HUGE upgrade. It does not compensate for his inability to hit with any type of consistency.

    you're good at trying to skew things for whatever your view is. Even the over-analyzing defensive stats you love looking at show that Andino is slightly better defensively.

    You're a huge fan boi of Brob, which is fine. We all have players we love. But don't just dismiss everything everyone says about Andino and concerns about Brob because you don't want to believe them.

    terp325423

  • IVWT said...

    I assume it will be something about how the pitching success isnt sustainable and he expects us to finish in last with less than 81 wins. Ground-breaking stuff.

    He told me Tuesday he wouldn't be shocked if this team still lost 90+ games.

    Here is the piece from SI:

    There are people of voting age along the Chesapeake who have no memory of the Orioles as a flagship major league franchise. Last season Baltimore finished under .500 for the 14th consecutive year, a team record even if you include its days as the St. Louis Browns, one of the AL's most destitute organizations in the first half of the 20th century.

    So it's at least reason for hope that the Orioles had the best record in the AL at the quarter turn, a 27-15 mark largely driven by the long ball and strong play in close games. The Orioles led the majors with a 6-2 record in extra-inning games and, thanks in part to a surprisingly strong bullpen, had an 8-3 record in one-run contests. That doesn't explain all of their success, though. Through 42 games Baltimore outscored opponents by 14 runs and would be an early-season success story even if it was .500 in close games.

    Statheads will argue that hitters, as a whole, enjoy their prime years from the ages of 25 to 29. If you're building a roster, you would do well to have as many players as possible in this range. Through Sunday the Orioles had gotten a whopping 79% of their plate appearances from players 25 through 29. Foremost among the group is Adam Jones. The 26-year-old centerfielder showed signs of development in 2011, hitting a career-high 25 homers. Jones has 14 homers and a .610 slugging percentage this season, more than one of every four of his fly balls has left the yard-a ratio, it should be added, that is unsustainable-and he would be an AL MVP candidate in a world without Josh Hamilton.

    Jones and three of his peak-age peers (26-year-old catcher Matt Wieters, 28-year-old rightfielder Nick Markakis and 29-year-old shortstop J.J. Hardy) form the core of an offense that has relied almost entirely on power to rank fourth in the league in runs scored. The O's are just 12th in the AL in OBP, but they lead the league with 64 home runs, are third in doubles with 76 and rank fourth in slugging at .439.

    The leads created by all these homers are being protected by a pen that, like many recent successful bullpens, is unheralded and inexpensive. Righthanders Luis Ayala (1.64 ERA) and Darren O'Day (1.27) are cheap veterans picked up in free agency and on the waiver wire, respectively, over the winter. Flamethrowing righty Pedro Strop (1.14 ERA) was acquired last August from Texas for reliever Mike Gonzalez. Jim Johnson has been the on-again, off-again closer since 2009, never quite able to hold the job thanks to his frequent injuries and low strikeout rate. This year he allowed just two runs in his first 19 2/3 innings and led the AL in saves through Sunday, with 15.

    It is important to separate what has happened in Baltimore from what is likely to continue to happen. The Orioles' offense, saddled with that low OBP, probably will regress as their home-run-per-fly-ball rate slips from a majors-high 16.6% through Sunday to the 11.3% (ranked sixth) they had with basically the same group of players in 2011. Four anonymous relievers will probably not go the whole year with a 1.25 ERA. The team's defense, which is among the worst in baseball, will bite them in close games. The Orioles will be challenged by the toughest division in the majors and will-like other recent Baltimore teams that also started strong-be hard-pressed to finish above .500.

    But there are reasons to be excited. That age 25-29 group will be 26-30 next year, when they are all under club control. And only Jones isn't under control for '14. By then the team could be bolstered by what may be the top two prospects in baseball right now. Righthander Dylan Bundy, 19, the fourth pick in last year's draft, didn't allow a run in his first eight starts as a pro: Over 30 innings at Class A through Sunday he had a ridiculous 40-to-2 strikeout-to-walk ratio. And shortstop Manny Machado, the third pick in the 2010 draft and also 19, was hitting .266 with a .365 OBP and a .420 slugging percentage as one of the youngest players in Double A. The Orioles also have the fourth pick in this year's draft; odds are they will end up with a polished college starting pitcher who can move to the majors quickly-someone like Stanford righthander Mark Appel or LSU righty Kevin Gausman.

    Dan Duquette, who had been out of the game for a decade, seemed an odd hire as general manager last winter, but now he looks like an inspired choice. He hasn't spent a lot of money, but he's brought in the likes of Ayala, signed under-the-radar lefthander Wei-Yin Chen (3.35 ERA) out of Taiwan and traded for starter Jason Hammel (3.12) and reliever Matt Lindstrom (1.29). His moves won't always work out so neatly, but Duquette's focus on mining untapped markets for talent is one way to challenge the AL East payroll behemoths he has to beat to reach the postseason.

    Baltimore's season isn't just about 2012. When the strikeouts begin to pile up at the plate and there aren't enough of them from the mound, when the one-run games start to fall the other way and the extra-inning affairs end in losses, there will still be reasons to think the Orioles have turned the corner. They have a core of major league talent at the right age to build around, two fantastic prospects on the way and a G.M. with an aggressive approach to making the team better. Hang in there, Baltimore. Your time is coming.

    Haven't read it but the last paragraph seems promising.

    jsh

  • Shots fired

    redraven1