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Orioles v. Blue Jays Thread

  • stangs25 said...

    please god tell me pie stole the helmet

    Hard to catch it when you're in Norfolk.

    jsh ●

  • lol shows how much i've been paying attention

    stangs25

  • I've been asked many times over the last few days about comments Michael Kay made on the YES Network during a recent Orioles-Yankees game. My head hurts from responding. And it's going to hurt a lot more when I start hitting myself with a hammer.

    Pitching coach Mark Connor's resignation in June has led to tons of speculation. I know the physical demands of the job became too great, and he hesitated to accept the position over the winter. I'm sure he had other frustrations. But I'm only interested if he's the one sharing them.

    I'm not slamming Kay here, but if he stated on the air that manager Buck Showalter toyed with the idea of bringing shortstop Manny Machado to the majors this season, that is 100 percent false. I don't know whether Kay said it. A reader here brought it up, but I wasn't listening to the telecast.

    School of Roch: Tackling rumors, reports and rules

    The Orioles will be facing Toronto Blue Jays right-hander Henderson Alvarez tonight. Let me know if you have a full scouting report. Don't skimp on ...

    www.masnsports.com

    jsh ●

  • jsh said...

    Happy to hear they're looking into Cashman. He seems pretty smart, granted having a lot of money will give that appearance. The Yankees have a monster pipeline internationally (again, money helps) and he's been pretty adamant about building from within and not giving up draft picks for guys like Soriano.

    If Andino is spending his time watching great films of the 90's instead of practicing bunting than I'm ok with that.

    I'd rather get a guy who's brought a lot of guys to the majors. TB, Miami, TEX, ARZ, BOS...even Philly. I'm not saying that BC can't do that, but I'd rather have someone who has a longer track record of doing it.

    PoorMike

  • LOL at today's Bmore Sun - Oriole bird cartoon

    2011 Oriole bird cartoons

    Mike Ricigliano, whose work has appeared in The Baltimore Sun for more than 20 years, continues a Sun tradition with game-by-game caricatures of the Oriole bird.

    www.baltimoresun.com

    TerpIdiots

  • LOL there is absolutely no way we ever considered bringing up Machado.

    I'm also not a big fan of Cashman. He has done just a mediocre job in NY with all of the resources at his disposal. I'm not sure he is a good fit for an organization like ours that really needs a complete overhaul of the minor league system/player development.

    charmcity3131 ●

  • reading this thread, i would have had no idea we had a walkoff win

    miniterp8982 ●

  • charmcity3131 said...

    I'm also not a big fan of Cashman. He has done just a mediocre job in NY with all of the resources at his disposal. I'm not sure he is a good fit for an organization like ours that really needs a complete overhaul of the minor league system/player development.

    LOL

    TERPfromHOCO

  • Was 2005 when Cashman was handed complete reigns? Does he get credit for Cano who signed back in 2001? Trying to figure out who he can claim as his.

    I have Gardner, Robertson, Chamberlain, Hughes, Austin Jackson and Ian Kennedy (later traded) as "Cashman guys", or guys that signed after 2005. Not sure who else may have been traded or what Cashman's role was prior to being handed over the reigns.

    jsh ●

  • Yeah, I see the O's running retreads like Millwood and Trachsel out there while the Yankees are running sub-4.00 ERA guys like Nova and Colon to the mound. Guys who certainly didn't break the bank. How much credit does Cashman get for finding guys like that?

    joebookman ●

  • joebookman said...

    Yeah, I see the O's running retreads like Millwood and Trachsel out there while the Yankees are running sub-4.00 ERA guys like Nova and Colon to the mound. Guys who certainly didn't break the bank. How much credit does Cashman get for finding guys like that?

    The Yankees have a lot of advantages in signing league minimum FA's. Better chance of winning, better medical staff (or so I hear), more exposure. I'm not sure he'd be able to lure the types of bargain FA's he gets in NY to Baltimore.

    jsh ●

  • jsh said...

    Was 2005 when Cashman was handed complete reigns? Does he get credit for Cano who signed back in 2001? Trying to figure out who he can claim as his.

    I have Gardner, Robertson, Chamberlain, Hughes, Austin Jackson and Ian Kennedy (later traded) as "Cashman guys", or guys that signed after 2005. Not sure who else may have been traded or what Cashman's role was prior to being handed over the reigns.

    Eight guys that the Yankees signed in 2006 have made the major leagues, with the potential for three more in the next year or so. While they have had varying degrees of success, that is an incredible number.

    TERPfromHOCO

  • They signed Nova as an international free agent. He's not some retread. Colon signed a minor league deal. There was no market for him. Any team could have had him.

    TERPfromHOCO

  • the yankees do have advantages with drafting/scouting/IFAs, no?

    i agree with you on colon, same with garcia, just two high-risk, low-cost guys that panned out. though some teams certainly have more luck with stuff like that than others

    screamin_jay

  • TERPfromHOCO said...

    They signed Nova as an international free agent. He's not some retread. Colon signed a minor league deal. There was no market for him. Any team could have had him.

    I forgot about Nova, meant to put him in that list of guys I mentioned earlier.

    jsh ●

  • screamin_jay said...

    the yankees do have advantages with drafting/scouting/IFAs, no?

    i agree with you on colon, same with garcia, just two high-risk, low-cost guys that panned out. though some teams certainly have more luck with stuff like that than others

    I don't think they really have any advantage in terms of drafting. Sure they have more money than anyone else and if they wanted they could spend more than anyone else but that has no bearing on other team's picks.

    I'm not sure if they have any advantages with IFA's besides scouting and I think that's something Cashman could fix by hiring away some scouts from the Yankees and other organizations. The Orioles should be able to match the money of most organizations at that level.

    jsh ●

  • If you including international players, there is Tabata, Vizcaino, and Montero as well.

    TERPfromHOCO

  • jsh said...

    Was 2005 when Cashman was handed complete reigns? Does he get credit for Cano who signed back in 2001? Trying to figure out who he can claim as his.

    I have Gardner, Robertson, Chamberlain, Hughes, Austin Jackson and Ian Kennedy (later traded) as "Cashman guys", or guys that signed after 2005. Not sure who else may have been traded or what Cashman's role was prior to being handed over the reigns.

    Decent list...not quite Pedroia, Ellsbury, Youk, Papelbon, Bard, Lester, Buckholz.

    I'm not saying he's terrible...I just want someone who's had success in a context closer to what he'll see here (or that crushed the draft like the Sawx have done).

    PoorMike

  • Oh, and I'm not going to count his success in the international market, since like normal FA, there's no guarantee that we're (ie: Angleos) even going to play that game.

    PoorMike

  • jsh said...

    I don't think they really have any advantage in terms of drafting. Sure they have more money than anyone else and if they wanted they could spend more than anyone else but that has no bearing on other team's picks.

    I'm not sure if they have any advantages with IFA's besides scouting and I think that's something Cashman could fix by hiring away some scouts from the Yankees and other organizations. The Orioles should be able to match the money of most organizations at that level.

    i get that, and maybe i'm being simplistic, but i think their general advantages spread to every part of their organization beyond the payroll of the big league club. i'm not complaining about it though, it takes more than $$$ to succeed and sustain success like they've had

    screamin_jay

  • Cashman has shown that:

    1. He doesn't want to give up draft picks for non-marquee FA's.

    2. His long term FA signings have been with guys who are in their prime

    3. Despite having unlimited resources he has no problem dumpster diving and he has stayed away from terrible contracts (Hoco can correct me if I'm wrong. Wouldn't lump Burnett in with "terrible contracts" because I don't think too many people thought it was *that* terrible at the time)

    4. He's committed to young players

    5. They'll spend internationally.

    jsh ●

  • PoorMike said...

    Decent list...not quite Pedroia, Ellsbury, Youk, Papelbon, Bard, Lester, Buckholz.

    I'm not saying he's terrible...I just want someone who's had success in a context closer to what he'll see here (or that crushed the draft like the Sawx have done).

    I think people are mentioning Cashman because his contract is up and there are rumors that he might leave the Yankees. I think everyone wants Andrew Friedman as their GM, but it's not going to happen.

    I get the sense that Cashman is bothered that ownership keeps going over his head with regard to baseball matters. Doesn't Angelos have a rep for doing that? That might affect Cashman's decision.

    TERPfromHOCO

  • PoorMike said...

    Oh, and I'm not going to count his success in the international market, since like normal FA, there's no guarantee that we're (ie: Angleos) even going to play that game.

    I'm assuming that 1) Cashman is a big advocate of the international market, 2) he'll let it be well known that the O's need to increase their spending there and 3) Angelos will agree to spend the money or Cashman won't sign here.

    That's my thought process on it. shrug

    jsh ●

  • jsh said...

    I'm assuming that 1) Cashman is a big advocate of the international market, 2) he'll let it be well known that the O's need to increase their spending there and 3) Angelos will agree to spend the money or Cashman won't sign here.

    That's my thought process on it. shrug

    True.

    He's a decent candidate he's just not the first name I'd think of (and THIS shouldn't be the first job he'd think of either).

    Like HOCO said, it's probably a factor of his contract being up more than anything.

    PoorMike

  • TERPfromHOCO said...

    I think everyone wants Andrew Friedman as their GM, but it's not going to happen.

    Why not?

    PoorMike

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