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Orioles at Rays series thread

  • dpatt173redux said...

    Derek Lowe is being designated for assignment by Cleveland. I would think hard about signing him. I've always been a Derek Lowe fan.

    If his ERA wasn't 8.80 the last 2+ months, I'd think about it. We already have several pitchers capable of posting an 8 ERA.

    fearthenoodle

  • fearthenoodle said...

    Hey, that's awesome! He's almost up to Betemit (.880 vs. RHP) and Reynolds (.866 vs. LHP) platoon level.

    Again you fall into the assigning value only for performance to date in 2012 and not thinking about future expectations. Pujols' OPS clearly is being driven down by a horrendous start to the season, which you could attribute to either him falling off a cliff or him switching teams, ball parks, leagues, etc and having to adjust. Either way he's been on fire for like 3 months now and only a fool would expect Albert Pujols to finish worse in any given season than a Betemit/Reynolds platoon.

    At .880 against RHP Betemit is also like 55 points above his career average. And neither one of them has a career average of above .900 from either side of the plate. So yes, maybe the platoon has performed as well as Pujols through August 1 in total, but drawing conclusions based off of that seems like a fools errand. My opinion.

    ravensnterps

  • dpatt173redux said...

    Derek Lowe is being designated for assignment by Cleveland. I would think hard about signing him. I've always been a Derek Lowe fan.

    Maybe he could be a long man in our bullpen. He's been horrendous lately but he'd have to be more valuable to this roster than Kevin Gregg.

    ravensnterps

  • ravensnterps said...

    Again you fall into the assigning value only for performance to date in 2012 and not thinking about future expectations

    We're not talking about anything other than 2012 performance. Nobody is suggesting anything other than that. Nobody is predicting future performance or whatever other crap you said.

    fearthenoodle

  • fearthenoodle said...

    We're not talking about anything other than 2012 performance. Nobody is suggesting anything other than that. Nobody is predicting future performance or whatever other crap you said.

    You are, and you did. Just like you said that Mark Trumbo IS (not has been, but IS) the best 1B on his team.

    If today money was absolutely no issue and it only mattered for the last 2 months of 2012 would you trade Betemit and Reynolds for Pujols straight up?

    This post was edited by ravensnterps on 8/2/2012 at 8:23 AM

    ravensnterps

  • fearthenoodle said...

    If his ERA wasn't 8.80 the last 2+ months, I'd think about it. We already have several pitchers capable of posting an 8 ERA.

    Not to mention his style of pitching doesn't fit our defense.

    This post was edited by jsh on 8/2/2012 at 8:22 AM

    jsh

  • ravensnterps said...

    You are, and you did. Just like you said that Mark Trumbo IS (not has been, but IS) the best 1B on his team.

    He is, for 2012. That's not in dispute.

    And no, I did not. 2012 Betemit/Reynolds has produced as well as 2012 Pujols. That was the point being made.

    fearthenoodle

  • jsh said...

    Not to mention his style of pitching doesn't fit our defense.

    I mean he's not good but given some of the other scrubs we've given MiL contracts to this year I see no harm is signing him to a MiL contract after he clears waivers (if). I mean he should never be a starter but you might be able to salvage value from him as a BP arm if he'd be amenable to it.

    ravensnterps

  • fearthenoodle said...

    We're not talking about anything other than 2012 performance. Nobody is suggesting anything other than that. Nobody is predicting future performance or whatever other crap you said.

    Charmcity has hooked FTN once again!

    jsh

  • fearthenoodle said...

    He is, for 2012. That's not in dispute.

    And no, I did not. 2012 Betemit/Reynolds has produced as well as 2012 Pujols. That was the point being made.

    2012 isn't over yet...that's the point. In no way is Mark Trumbo a better 1B than Albert Pujols. By saying that you are completely discounting the value from future expected performance in assigning value to a player. Maybe he HAS been better offensively than Pujols so far this year, but that isn't what you said.

    This post was edited by ravensnterps on 8/2/2012 at 8:26 AM

    ravensnterps

  • jsh said...

    Charmcity has hooked FTN once again!

    Damn right, if Im going to be called out for saying stupid shit you best believe I'm going to call you 2 jokers out for saying stupid shit, Mr. Hunter.

    This post was edited by ravensnterps on 8/2/2012 at 8:26 AM

    ravensnterps

  • ravensnterps said...

    If today money was absolutely no issue and it only mattered for the last 2 months of 2012 would you trade Betemit and Reynolds for Pujols straight up?

    You really struggle to comprehend things, don't you? People were talking about REALISTIC WAYS to upgrade the team for the last 2 months of 2012. No shit you can't just trade for Albert Pujols. What you could do though, is fill a 3B hole (maybe with Headley) and then get SIMILAR production from Betemit/Reynolds at 1B to what 2012 Albert Pujols has produced.

    fearthenoodle

  • ravensnterps said...

    I mean he's not good but given some of the other scrubs we've given MiL contracts to this year I see no harm is signing him to a MiL contract after he clears waivers (if). I mean he should never be a starter but you might be able to salvage value from him as a BP arm if he'd be amenable to it.

    If we're living in some fantasy world where Gregg is no longer on the team, I can think of at least 5 other pitchers already in the organization I'd give his spot to over Lowe.

    fearthenoodle

  • fearthenoodle said...

    You really struggle to comprehend things, don't you? People were talking about REALISTIC WAYS to upgrade the team for the last 2 months of 2012. No shit you can't just trade for Albert Pujols. What you could do though, is fill a 3B hole (maybe with Headley) and then get SIMILAR production from Betemit/Reynolds at 1B to what 2012 Albert Pujols has produced.

    Well I'd be all for it if we can get .850+ out of 1B platoon or not mark me down.

    You've come a long way from wanting Reynolds released (apologies if it was really Mr. Hunter, sometimes I get you guys confused) last week to now championing him as part of a platoon that can produce at a near-Pujols level.

    That indicates to me then that Reynolds job is very safe for the remainder of this year, no? next roster move has to be Gregg anyway.

    ravensnterps

  • fearthenoodle said...

    If we're living in some fantasy world where Gregg is no longer on the team, I can think of at least 5 other pitchers already in the organization I'd give his spot to over Lowe.

    Yeah actually looking at the numbers I'd stay away completely. I knew he was bad this year but I thought he had been decent the last couple of years before in Atlanta, turns out not so much.

    This post was edited by ravensnterps on 8/2/2012 at 8:31 AM

    ravensnterps

  • ravensnterps said...

    2012 isn't over yet...that's the point. In no way is Mark Trumbo a better 1B than Albert Pujols. By saying that you are completely discounting the value from future expected performance in assigning value to a player. Maybe he HAS been better offensively than Pujols so far this year, but that isn't what you said.

    He's been better offensively, and he's a better defender at 1B. So I'm not sure what you're getting at.

    fearthenoodle

  • ravensnterps said...

    Well I'd be all for it if we can get .850+ out of 1B platoon or not mark me down.

    You've come a long way from wanting Reynolds released (apologies if it was really Mr. Hunter, sometimes I get you guys confused) last week to now championing him as part of a platoon that can produce at a near-Pujols level.

    That indicates to me then that Reynolds job is very safe for the remainder of this year, no? next roster move has to be Gregg anyway.

    blah, blah, blah. I have never once advocated releasing Reynolds, so don't put words in my mouth.

    What jsh did do was suggest that he could be in danger of being released based on the roster crunch at the time.

    fearthenoodle

  • jsh said...

    Not to mention his style of pitching doesn't fit our defense.

    His K/BB ratio of 0.91 also doesn't give me the warm fuzzies.

    joebookman

  • joebookman said...

    His K/BB ratio of 0.91 also doesn't give me the warm fuzzies.

    Speaking of K rates and BB rates, I'd just like to point out those numbers for Boston starter Aaron Cook:

    Walk rate: .8/9
    Strikeout rate: .8/9

    Only 8 of 187 batters against him have failed to put the ball in play.

    fearthenoodle

  • fearthenoodle said...

    blah, blah, blah. I have never once advocated releasing Reynolds, so don't put words in my mouth.

    What jsh did do was suggest that he could be in danger of being released based on the roster crunch at the time.

    Ahh you are right. When Mr. Hunter was advocating his release for Andino you did stand in staunch support of your position for the platoon. I commend you. My apologies.

    ravensnterps

  • fearthenoodle said...

    Speaking of K rates and BB rates, I'd just like to point out those numbers for Boston starter Aaron Cook:

    Walk rate: .8/9 Strikeout rate: .8/9

    Only 8 of 187 batters against him have failed to put the ball in play.

    That's because we ruined his leg that one time.

    ravensnterps

  • Cremesicle said...

    I supported wholeheartedly the John Maine for Anna Benson trade.

    Kris Benson did hit that HR at Shea that once which was sweet.

    ravensnterps

  • ravensnterps said...

    Ahh you are right. When Mr. Hunter was advocating his release for Andino you did stand in staunch support of your position for the platoon. I commend you. My apologies.

    You have a funny definition of "advocating". I just re-read the posts from jsh, and there is nothing close to that in there.

    fearthenoodle

  • ravensnterps said...

    Again you fall into the assigning value only for performance to date in 2012 and not thinking about future expectations.

    2012 only has 2 months left, so it is the only thing that matters. There's not a lot of future expectation to predict. At this point in the season most guys are who they are.

    Mark Reynolds won't be here next year, so future expectations don't factor in.

    Wilson Betemit costs 1 million dollars, and his production relative to his cost makes him likely one of the best FA acquisitions last year from a sheer value standpoint.

    bkmalik

  • Betemit's value will not look as good as it should at the end of the year because he has negative value as a RHH and negative value at 3B. He is well worth the $1M spent, but he'd look even better if they'd been able to use him as intended when they signed him- as a DH vs. RHP.

    fearthenoodle