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Official Ravens Off-Season Thread (Rice Signed)

  • ravensnterps said...

    I didn't even see the game much less comment on it.

    How does a fan not watch the conference championship game? That's like not watching the Final 4.

    bkmalik

  • bkmalik said...

    How does a fan not watch the conference championship game? That's like not watching the Final 4.

    Agreed. Was painful. But I was out of the country with no access to a television. I caught a few updates on my phone. When I saw the outcome was a missed 32-yard field goal I didn't have the stomach to watch the DVR.

    This post was edited by ravensnterps on 1/30/2012 at 10:47 AM

    ravensnterps

  • I figured I would put this here since this thread has got off to such a great start...

    I was watching the NFL Network's Sound FX last night and they had an angle of the hold for the kick which made it look like the ball was leaning slightly forward? I have not heard anyone mention the hold in the equation but it didn't look right and from behind it also looked like it was also leaning a bit away from the holder instead of straight up or slightly towards the holder. Not sure if it was just camera angles and how much that could affect a kick but it just didn't look right.

    StewieTerp

  • I think Harbs is a good coach (definitely has improved over the 4 years) and in no way am I saying he should be fired. But let's not say he is better or more successful than a guy wearing a Super Bowl ring.

    The Lee Evans drop is not Harbaugh's fault, but why is it this team comes up small in big games? The AFC champ game against Pittsburgh was more than I ever dreamed of that year, but the loss last year to the Steelers in the playoffs was unacceptable. So was the regular season home loss to Pitt last year. He could also make life a lot easier on himself if the team took care of business against bad teams and had homefield advantage for a change.

    charmcity3131

  • ZackGreinkeTerp said...

    Every fan base does this, but why can't it be more than one person's fault? Flacco wasn't perfect, Harbaugh wasn't perfect, Cundiff (obviously) wasn't perfect, Evans wasn't perfect, the O-line wasn't perfect, etc.

    In a game where so many little things could have happened differently to affect the outcome, why try so hard to pin it on one person?

    I'm scared to take on this argument because I agree with the point that charmcity made in his last post, but my problem with Harbaugh is that in so many big games where we have arguably outplayed the opponent (we heard this again against the Pats from many national opinions) we cannot get it done.

    Players have changed, coaching staff has changed, opponents have changed. And people say well if Anquan catches that ball (against Pitt) or if Evans catches that ball (against NE) or if Joe isn't awful (against Jax), or if (whatever) then Harbaugh isn't facing this criticism. Well yeah, players make the plays...but at what point is the problem bigger than the players? How much turnover, how many different players making new and different mistakes, how many times do we need to be banging on the door only to fall before breaking through, does it take before we avoid keeping Andy Reid for too long?

    Harbaugh has clearly made his case for being a decent coach. I worry that he isn't anything more than that. No one would argue that Andy Reid is a bad coach. But would you want him running your team? I sure as hell wouldn't.

    Good is the enemy of great. Ravens seem to get stuck in that a lot.

    This post was edited by jdillon1 on 1/30/2012 at 12:40 PM

    jdillon1

  • So many things have to line up for a team to win a Superbowl. Look at the Patriots: Probably the best run organization in the NFL. They consistently make the right choices drafting rookies, signing free agents, and dealing/releasing veterans. Bellicheck is, without a doubt, the best coach of his generation. And on top of all of this, they have possibly the best QB in the NFL. Even with those ideal circumstances, they haven't won a Superbowl since 2004.

    Major Major

  • Major Major said...

    So many things have to line up for a team to win a Superbowl. Look at the Patriots: Probably the best run organization in the NFL. They consistently make the right choices drafting rookies, signing free agents, and dealing/releasing veterans. Bellicheck is, without a doubt, the best coach of his generation. And on top of all of this, they have possibly the best QB in the NFL. Even with those ideal circumstances, they haven't won a Superbowl since 2004.

    LOL since when do they consistnetly make the right choice in drafting and free agents (and trades)? Not in the last few years. Which is why they've been largely a non threat since 2007 until now.

    ravensnterps

  • we might actually be unstoppable next year, 12-4 or 13-3 would be equal to a 16-0 season with the toughness of next years schedule and any losses would probably be ref or cundiff losses.

    -The Based Lord, F*** wit me.

    JelIytoast

  • ravensnterps said...

    LOL since when do they consistnetly make the right choice in drafting and free agents (and trades)? Not in the last few years. Which is why they've been largely a non threat since 2007 until now.

    Non threat? They've won more games than any other team in the NFL since they lost Super Bowl XLII.

    Last year the Patriots were the favorites to win the Super Bowl heading into the playoffs. They got bounced in their first game. It happens.

    I think his point still stands--it's hard as hell to win it all. I agree though that Belichick has had a couple drafts he'd like to have back.

    balderdash

    ZackGreinkeTerp

  • ravensnterps said...

    LOL since when do they consistnetly make the right choice in drafting and free agents (and trades)? Not in the last few years. Which is why they've been largely a non threat since 2007 until now.

    Here's a list of their 1st round picks since 2001:

    2001: Richard Seymour
    2002: Daniel Graham
    2003: Ty Warren
    2004: Vince Vilfork, Ben Watson
    2005: Logan Mankins
    2006: Laurence Maroney
    2007: Brandon Merriweather
    2008: Jerod Mayo
    2010: Devin McCourty
    2011: Nate Solder

    No one's 100%, but that's a pretty damn good list if you ask me.

    Major Major

  • Baldwin said...

    How lucky is Dickson that the game ended the way it did. Targeted 8 times in the playoffs and only had 3 catches. I don't have the dropped stats but I imagine it's pretty close to 5.

    Mentioned this before, but he also had that HUGE false start on 2nd and 3 that eventually lead to the 4th and 6 decision. He was a way bigger dog than Evans for me, and arguably right there with Cundiff

    Flops ●

  • Jim Caldwell is the new QB coach.

    This post was edited by reeceg1 on 1/30/2012 at 5:55 PM

    Layman ... Jake Layman!

    reeceg1

  • yeah it was posted a while ago but got lost in the pointless debate

    -The Based Lord, F*** wit me.

    JelIytoast

  • Major Major said...

    Here's a list of their 1st round picks since 2001:

    2001: Richard Seymour 2002: Daniel Graham 2003: Ty Warren 2004: Vince Vilfork, Ben Watson 2005: Logan Mankins 2006: Laurence Maroney 2007: Brandon Merriweather 2008: Jerod Mayo 2010: Devin McCourty 2011: Nate Solder

    No one's 100%, but that's a pretty damn good list if you ask me.

    NE's big problem is that had pretty terrible depth drafts from about 06 or 07 to 2010. Basically whiffed on a ton of the 2-4/5 round picks, which is how you build the roster. Those drafts are is why they have Edelman playing DB and basically no depth on defense.

    bkmalik

  • bkmalik said...

    NE's big problem is that had pretty terrible depth drafts from about 06 or 07 to 2010. Basically whiffed on a ton of the 2-4/5 round picks, which is how you build the roster. Those drafts are is why they have Edelman playing DB and basically no depth on defense.

    Rare we agree, but correct. Their first round picks are good (though McCourty took a big step back and Merriweather sucks and isn't even with them anymore) but they get all this praise for trading back and accumulating picks but those depth picks all stink.

    ravensnterps

  • The Patriots have 18 undrafted free agents and 11 players taken in the 5th round or later on their roster...that is not a sign of a good drafting team. They make highlights in draft day by trading down for more picks and then miss on most of them.

    StewieTerp

  • Aaron Wilson with a pretty good overview on the pending FAs and future of the roster.

    Ravens set to begin roster evaluation, decisions - Carroll County Times: Ravens

    OWINGS MILLS — Terrell Suggs knows the reality of this drill all too well.

    www.carrollcountytimes.com

    bkmalik

  • Cremesicle said...

    Links to some videi excepted from yesterdays SOTR presser:

    Ravens are in good shape with those four in charge. They'll be back. I'm not sure I'd be as enthusiastic about Ray as Bisciotti is though.

    sugarmag

  • Lewis was pretty good this year. Yeah, a step slower in coverage, but his instincts were still good enough to compensate most days. The injury was probably a good thing for him in retrospect, just allowing his body to rest for a month towards the back end of the season. I'm done with saying "this is the year" it goes downhill for Ray. If he's healthy, he's still good. Not great, but good.

    And yes, I think the Ravens management team is really solid. I get the vibe that this group is like the one the Steelers have had the last decade-plus (basically since they replaced Tom Donahue). Stability is important.

    bkmalik

  • I beg to differ with everybody on the Ray Lewis issue. If he is healthy, he will play, but to say he is just good is inaccurate. I still challenge anybody to find 3 MLBs in the league that have more impact on their team or are more productive. Its impossible, and personally I think if you rank in the top 5 at your position in the league, your probably a great player. We are very very fortunate he is coming back.

    Also Ozzie says the biggest needs in offseason are Offensive Line, Wide Receiver, and Pass Rusher. Exactly what I was thinking Ozzie. I would like to see us go after another MLB, but this draft has the potential to change the direction of the franchise. The smart move is to upgrade at OL, since we are investing in RR and Flacco, but if a receiver fell to us, or a premier pass rusher in the first round...I dont see us passing up the opportunity to become truly dominant in those areas.

    Watch how much evil we call the crime picks up...There is nothing else to do Sal!- Ray Lewis

    TerrapinFanMan

  • TerrapinFanMan said...

    I beg to differ with everybody on the Ray Lewis issue. If he is healthy, he will play, but to say he is just good is inaccurate. I still challenge anybody to find 3 MLBs in the league that have more impact on their team or are more productive. Its impossible, and personally I think if you rank in the top 5 at your position in the league, your probably a great player. We are very very fortunate he is coming back.

    Also Ozzie says the biggest needs in offseason are Offensive Line, Wide Receiver, and Pass Rusher. Exactly what I was thinking Ozzie. I would like to see us go after another MLB, but this draft has the potential to change the direction of the franchise. The smart move is to upgrade at OL, since we are investing in RR and Flacco, but if a receiver fell to us, or a premier pass rusher in the first round...I dont see us passing up the opportunity to become truly dominant in those areas.

    If micheal Oher would stop playing like a Dhead we'd be in much better shape on the OL. I think we need more help at DE for sure. Our O and D lines were pretty weak at the end of the year.

    Pic Sigs are for losers.

    jgdomino

  • TerrapinFanMan said...

    I beg to differ with everybody on the Ray Lewis issue. If he is healthy, he will play, but to say he is just good is inaccurate. I still challenge anybody to find 3 MLBs in the league that have more impact on their team or are more productive. Its impossible, and personally I think if you rank in the top 5 at your position in the league, your probably a great player. We are very very fortunate he is coming back.

    I think the 49ers have 2 better ILBs, but overall he is probably 5th or 6th still in the league, which is still pretty good.

    WIC

  • Bowman is not better than Lewis. he is getting the Effect many LB's have gotten from playing next to Ray by playing next to Willis.

    Pic Sigs are for losers.

    jgdomino

  • jgdomino said...

    Bowman is not better than Lewis. he is getting the Effect many LB's have gotten from playing next to Ray by playing next to Willis.

    I disagree, virtually all his numbers are better last year, and the biggest diffrence Bowman is much more of a factor as a pass rusher.

    WIC

  • Just because you have a good year does not mean you are a better player. Jared Allen had a phenomenal year, but would you honestly rather have him than say, Julius Peppers. Its the body of work, and the level of consistency that makes a player

    Watch how much evil we call the crime picks up...There is nothing else to do Sal!- Ray Lewis

    TerrapinFanMan

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