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  • uh yeah no he hasnt, although the era altogether is much more watchable

    This post was edited by JelIytoast on 1/27/2012 at 6:56 PM

    -The Based Lord, F*** wit me.

    JelIytoast

  • JelIytoast said...

    uh yeah no he hasnt, although the era altogether is much more watchable

    Better overall winning % and same playoff record (5-3).

    Also same number of playoff seasons, 4.

    This post was edited by bkmalik on 1/28/2012 at 10:57 AM

    bkmalik

  • bkmalik said...

    Better overall winning % and same playoff record (5-3).

    Also same number of playoff seasons, 4.

    I understand what you're saying and like Harbs but there was that one other game

    7erps

  • 7erps said...

    I understand what you're saying and like Harbs but there was that one other game

    Billick 1 superbowl
    Harbaugh 0

    And I'd argue Harbaugh has had better overall teams.

    Pic Sigs are for losers.

    jgdomino

  • Omar Little said...

    Yup, less playoff appearances will definitely increase our chances of winning the Super Bowl.

    I didn't say that but do you want to be the eagles? make it every year and fail? I want to win the big game.

    Pic Sigs are for losers.

    jgdomino

  • If winning Super Bowls is the only thing that counts, Barry Switzer is a top 15 all time NFL coach.

    bkmalik

  • jgdomino said...

    I didn't say that but do you want to be the eagles? make it every year and fail? I want to win the big game.

    There's a better chance that Harbaugh breaks through one year than we bring a coach able to take the team further than Harbaugh has.

    joebookman

  • bkmalik said...

    If winning Super Bowls is the only thing that counts, Barry Switzer is a top 15 all time NFL coach.

    its not like billick didn't do his fair share of winning outside of the super bowl year when he was here. It was just usually a Bi annual thing.

    Personally as a fan I would take 10 years 5 playoff appearances and a super bowl victory than 10 straight playoff trips..

    Pic Sigs are for losers.

    jgdomino

  • joebookman said...

    There's a better chance that Harbaugh breaks through one year than we bring a coach able to take the team further than Harbaugh has.

    This. You have to make the playoffs first.

    bkmalik

  • The playoffs are a crapshoot. One missed kick could keep you from a Super Bowl or one TE slant ends up becoming a 90 yard TD pass and puts you into the SB. I'll take a coach that gets me into the playoffs and I'll take my chances from there.

    This post was edited by jsh on 1/29/2012 at 8:54 AM

    jsh

  • joebookman said...

    There's a better chance that Harbaugh breaks through one year than we bring a coach able to take the team further than Harbaugh has.

    I question his decision making.

    To me in NE you have to go for it on 4th and 2 ft at the 2 yard line. You need TD's not FG's. Not taking a Time out when he saw his kicker was rushed. Greg Mattison was horrific and he would not have been fired. The ST were horrific yet we don't see a change there. You have to make changes when things don't work. Pees luckily is not like Mattison in his play calling style but loyalty is great until it kills your season like it did this year with S/T.

    Pic Sigs are for losers.

    jgdomino

  • jgdomino said...

    its not like billick didn't do his fair share of winning outside of the super bowl year when he was here. It was just usually a Bi annual thing.

    Personally as a fan I would take 10 years 5 playoff appearances and a super bowl victory than 10 straight playoff trips..

    Outside of the Super Bowl year here are Billick's other 8 seasons.

    1999 - 8-8
    2001 - 10-6 lost in divisional round
    2002 - 7-9
    2003 - 10-6 lost in wild card round
    2004 - 9-7
    2005 - 6-10
    2006 - 13-3 lost in divisional round
    2007 - 5-11

    I don't want to turn this into a bash Billick thread, but that is an absolutely unexciting 8 seasons. In those 8 seasons he won 1 playoff game. The only person envious of that is Marvin Lewis.

    joebookman

  • The idea that a team can somehow have a higher probability of winning the Super Bowl while making the playoffs less is ridiculous. It's not like Billick had a "go all the way in the playoffs" strategy that Harbaugh hasn't implemented. The fact that a WR holding onto the ball for a split second longer so strongly affects one's perception says it all.

    I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right?

    Omar Little

  • jgdomino said...

    I question his decision making.

    To me in NE you have to go for it on 4th and 2 ft at the 2 yard line. You need TD's not FG's.

    Ignoring how terrible we were in short yardage situations most of the season?

    bkmalik

  • bkmalik said...

    Ignoring how terrible we were in short yardage situations most of the season?

    didn't stop him from going for it from the 40 in the 4th quarter did it?

    Pic Sigs are for losers.

    jgdomino

  • Omar Little said...

    The idea that a team can somehow have a higher probability of winning the Super Bowl while making the playoffs less is ridiculous. It's not like Billick had a "go all the way in the playoffs" strategy that Harbaugh hasn't implemented. The fact that a WR holding onto the ball for a split second longer so strongly affects one's perception says it all.

    I never said that. I said I would rather win a superbowl and go the playoffs less than make the playoffs every year and not win. If you make the playoffs every year and win a superbowl thats Ideal.

    Billick had far less superior teams, his drafting of Kyle boller had a lot to do with that. However those offenses were no where near what Harbs has had his entire time in Baltimore.

    Pic Sigs are for losers.

    jgdomino

  • and would you trade our 2000 superbowl for a shot at superbowls in all those other years?

    Pic Sigs are for losers.

    jgdomino

  • jgdomino said...

    didn't stop him from going for it from the 40 in the 4th quarter did it?

    Because those were two similar scenarios!

    jsh

  • jsh said...

    Because those were two similar scenarios!

    ha keep acting like it was a good decision. We are on the road and you have a shot for a TD against an offense you know will score points and need less than a half a yard. I guarantee B.B. goes for that.

    Pic Sigs are for losers.

    jgdomino

  • jgdomino said...

    didn't stop him from going for it from the 40 in the 4th quarter did it?

    Completely different situations but whatever.

    bkmalik

  • bkmalik said...

    Completely different situations but whatever.

    doesnt mean his first decision was correct when you look at the total scenario and then eventual outcome of the game.

    Pic Sigs are for losers.

    jgdomino

  • jgdomino said...

    ha keep acting like it was a good decision. We are on the road and you have a shot for a TD against an offense you know will score points and need less than a half a yard. I guarantee B.B. goes for that.

    Did I say that? I just laughed at trying to compare two completely different 4th down situations.

    jsh

  • jsh said...

    Did I say that? I just laughed at trying to compare two completely different 4th down situations.

    ok fair enough sorry for putting words in your mouth. And maybe its not the best comparison. But you can argue that going for the 2nd one was way riskier than going for the 1st. I have questioned his decision making all year long. I hold him more responsible for the loss than any single player. Again its my opinion but I don't think we make it to the big game while he is our coach.

    Pic Sigs are for losers.

    jgdomino

  • jgdomino said...

    ok fair enough sorry for putting words in your mouth. And maybe its not the best comparison. But you can argue that going for the 2nd one was way riskier than going for the 1st. I have questioned his decision making all year long. I hold him more responsible for the loss than any single player. Again its my opinion but I don't think we make it to the big game while he is our coach.

    Of course it was harder to convert! But it was either go for it on 4th and 6 (I think that's the correct yardage) or have Cundiff kick a 50+ yard FG. It wasn't that hard of a decision to make.

    jsh

  • jsh said...

    Of course it was harder to convert! But it was either go for it on 4th and 6 (I think that's the correct yardage) or have Cundiff kick a 50+ yard FG. It wasn't that hard of a decision to make.

    or punt not that I advocate that. I think we should have gone for it in both scenarios.

    Pic Sigs are for losers.

    jgdomino