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Official Ravens Off-Season Thread (Rice Signed)

  • I actually think we do need a receiver but I'm not interested in paying a ton of money plus losing our first rounder for Wallace. We need help on the line and also need to beef up the linebacking corps and find the eventual replacements for Lewis and Reed. I'd bring Evans back on the cheap.

    charmcity3131 ●

  • For the right price, I'd love to have him, even if it costs us the 29th pick. But what I'd REALLY like to do is offer him something you know the Steelers will match, but more than they wanted to pay him.

    wcterp

  • The 29th pick and the amount of money it would cost to get him is too high. I also think Wallace is really overrated, so that's why I'm so reluctant.

    charmcity3131 ●

  • The Wallace rumors were started because a couple of blogs (FO might have been one) off-handedly mentioned that either the Pats or Ravens could step up and try to sign Wallace to a crazy front loaded contract to steal him from Pittsburgh.

    Of course, doing that would go against pretty much every single institutional rule that the front offices of the Pats and Ravens have developed over the years, as well as ignoring that both teams have several key FAs of their own to re-sign with their cap room.

    Basically it was something a writer would think up and put in a column without thinking how a team might actually pull it off.

    bkmalik ●

  • charmcity3131 said...

    The 29th pick and the amount of money it would cost to get him is too high. I also think Wallace is really overrated, so that's why I'm so reluctant.

    How in the world can you think he's really overrated? I have no clue what his national perception is, but his numbers are massive. The only way you could overrate him is by calling him hands down the best. His production has been outstanding.

    The 29th pick isn't shit. I doubt we can afford him considering everybody we need to re-sign soon, but I'd give up two 29th picks for him. He's a monster.

    jdillon1

  • Word is they won't match most offers because of the cap. Hard to tell how good he is because he gets doubled regularly. Brown really stepped up his game (also seems to be Ben's go to receiver) which makes him expendable but how much of that is because of the safeties focusing on Wallace deep. Me, I would pay Brown and Wallace and let Sanders go.

    I will never forget this catch his rookie year(when he was supposed to be a speed only receiver with no ball skills) on the last play to win the GB game.

    This post was edited by StewieTerp on 2/21/2012 at 3:28 PM

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    StewieTerp

  • Most smart observers think Wallace took the leap this year to complete WR. I agree with them, not charm.

    bkmalik ●

  • If the Steelers lose Wallace their receivers will be complete poop

    "I suffered through the Boller years and nearly a decade of offensive futility." -Bmorechil

    ccterp

  • bkmalik said...

    Most smart observers think Wallace took the leap this year to complete WR. I agree with them, not charm.

    Except for the whole doing jack shit in the second half of the season or in the playoffs thing. But yeah other than that he's exactly the type of guy I'd want to pay $9m a year to despite having a player with a similar skillset who just came off an impressive rookie year, another very good proven WR, plus a QB and RB who need new big contracts.

    ravensnterps ●

  • ccterp said...

    If the Steelers lose Wallace their receivers will be complete poop

    No, it won't. Brown is the real deal, unfortunately. Sanders is solid. And Cotchery isn't a terrible 3rd option. They'll also sign someone or draft someone.

    ravensnterps ●

  • ravensnterps said...

    No, it won't. Brown is the real deal, unfortunately. Sanders is solid. And Cotchery isn't a terrible 3rd option. They'll also sign someone or draft someone.

    They would lose A LOT if they lost Wallace. I don't know why seemingly everyone in this thread is so down on him. I'm not saying we should definitely make a play for him, but the dude is sick. The numbers should speak for themselves.

    jdillon1

  • jdillon1 said...

    They would lose A LOT if they lost Wallace. I don't know why seemingly everyone in this thread is so down on him. I'm not saying we should definitely make a play for him, but the dude is sick. The numbers should speak for themselves.

    No one is down on him, it's just that we don't know if he's really a #1 or not. And he's going to be very, very, very overpaid by someone.

    ravensnterps ●

  • The more I think about it, the more I'd rather see us improve the OL/defense via the draft/FA/trades. If we had someone other than Cameron, Wallace (or any top WR for that matter) would be terrific, but unfortunately we are stuck with an extremely stale passing offense that I doubt Wallace would improve enough to warrant what we would have to give up and pay.

    WheresWallace ●

  • ravensnterps said...

    Except for the whole doing jack shit in the second half of the season or in the playoffs thing. But yeah other than that he's exactly the type of guy I'd want to pay $9m a year to despite having a player with a similar skillset who just came off an impressive rookie year, another very good proven WR, plus a QB and RB who need new big contracts.

    Proof of Mike Wallace's HOF status IMO.

    bkmalik ●

  • bkmalik said...

    Proof of Mike Wallace's HOF status IMO.

    Hey dumbass. Care to look up his stats from his final 8 games last year? He's still an unproven commodity in terms of his danger once defenses figured out his game and he's up for a contract at the right time to cash in on a huge deal that he may or may not be worth. The Ravens won't be dumb enough to do it.

    ravensnterps ●

  • Agreed with him having a similar skill set as Torrey. I still want to see Wallace make more plays in the intermediate game, moving the chains. I'd rather sign Vincent Jackson than trade for and sign Wallace. I'd also rather sign Grubbs or a pass rusher and use our draft pick on a lineman or someone to replace Ray or Reed than on Wallace.

    charmcity3131 ●

  • The Ravens need to make a play just to make a play. It's a cat and mouse game that will only hurt the Steelers regardless of where Wallace ends up (or stays.)

    ravenlunatic

  • ravensnterps said...

    Hey dumbass. Care to look up his stats from his final 8 games last year? He's still an unproven commodity in terms of his danger once defenses figured out his game and he's up for a contract at the right time to cash in on a huge deal that he may or may not be worth. The Ravens won't be dumb enough to do it.

    Football Outsiders rated him the 5th most valuable/productive WR in the NFL this year, #1 in 2010.

    bkmalik ●

  • bkmalik said...

    Football Outsiders rated him the 5th most valuable/productive WR in the NFL this year, #1 in 2010.

    Good for football outsiders. He was absolutely beastly in the first 8 games last year and absolutely ordinary in the final 8 games last year. You have to wonder how much of that is teams figuring his game out. Is that the type of guy worth shelling out top dollar for if you get the guy who was plain ordinary for his last 8 games?

    ravensnterps ●

  • Or it could be that Pittsburgh's entire offense went in the tank down the stretch, especially given the injuries to their OL and to Ben.

    I have to think most WRs have worse numbers if their QB can't throw the ball right because of a leg injury.

    bkmalik ●

  • bkmalik said...

    Or it could be that Pittsburgh's entire offense went in the tank down the stretch, especially given the injuries to their OL and to Ben.

    I have to think most WRs have worse numbers if their QB can't throw the ball right because of a leg injury.

    Pittsburgh's entire offense with the noteable exception of 1 person...a WR not named Mike Wallace.

    ravensnterps ●

  • ravensnterps said...

    Pittsburgh's entire offense with the noteable exception of 1 person...a WR not named Mike Wallace.

    Where are the Pittsburgh fans to weigh in on this.

    Complete speculation here, but perhaps Brown was/is the better option for someone like Roethlisberger when he's hurt because he's a short/intermediate wiggle guy that makes his money on quick hits and YAC. Wallace's moneymaker is obviously his speed and those routes take much more time to develop and the throws require much more push off.

    Also, I doubt that NFL defenses took 1.5 years to figure Wallace out. Everyone knew going into LAST year that he was a real danger. And let's hope that isn't the issue or else we can expect to see Torrey take a dip in production pretty soon.

    jdillon1

  • jdillon1 said...

    Where are the Pittsburgh fans to weigh in on this.

    Complete speculation here, but perhaps Brown was/is the better option for someone like Roethlisberger when he's hurt because he's a short/intermediate wiggle guy that makes his money on quick hits and YAC. Wallace's moneymaker is obviously his speed and those routes take much more time to develop and the throws require much more push off.

    Also, I doubt that NFL defenses took 1.5 years to figure Wallace out. Everyone knew going into LAST year that he was a real danger. And let's hope that isn't the issue or else we can expect to see Torrey take a dip in production pretty soon.

    I mean the easy answer is "Wallace was opening things up for Brown." But I think that is far too simplistic. But the long answer to your question is no. Brown averaged 19 yards per catch over the same span in which Wallace averaged only 13 (weeks 9-16).

    ravensnterps ●

  • wallace is a stud. we should get him. because torrey also can go deep doesnt mean we shouldnt get him. we need more wrs who can seperate. wallace excels at that. he's still getting better too.

    286A ●

  • 286 said...

    wallace is a stud. we should get him. because torrey also can go deep doesnt mean we shouldnt get him. we need more wrs who can seperate. wallace excels at that. he's still getting better too.

    In a perfect world I agree it's never a bad thing to have too many good players even if they're good at the same thing. But when you couple the redundancy with the fact that your QB and RB need contracts, too, it means it won't happen.

    ravensnterps ●

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