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Official Ravens Off-Season Thread (DRAFT TONIGHT)

  • The Ravens need to make a play just to make a play. It's a cat and mouse game that will only hurt the Steelers regardless of where Wallace ends up (or stays.)

      ravenlunatic

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    • ravensnterps said...

      Hey dumbass. Care to look up his stats from his final 8 games last year? He's still an unproven commodity in terms of his danger once defenses figured out his game and he's up for a contract at the right time to cash in on a huge deal that he may or may not be worth. The Ravens won't be dumb enough to do it.

      Football Outsiders rated him the 5th most valuable/productive WR in the NFL this year, #1 in 2010.

        bkmalik

      • bkmalik said...

        Football Outsiders rated him the 5th most valuable/productive WR in the NFL this year, #1 in 2010.

        Good for football outsiders. He was absolutely beastly in the first 8 games last year and absolutely ordinary in the final 8 games last year. You have to wonder how much of that is teams figuring his game out. Is that the type of guy worth shelling out top dollar for if you get the guy who was plain ordinary for his last 8 games?

          ravensnterps

        • Or it could be that Pittsburgh's entire offense went in the tank down the stretch, especially given the injuries to their OL and to Ben.

          I have to think most WRs have worse numbers if their QB can't throw the ball right because of a leg injury.

            bkmalik

          • bkmalik said...

            Or it could be that Pittsburgh's entire offense went in the tank down the stretch, especially given the injuries to their OL and to Ben.

            I have to think most WRs have worse numbers if their QB can't throw the ball right because of a leg injury.

            Pittsburgh's entire offense with the noteable exception of 1 person...a WR not named Mike Wallace.

              ravensnterps

            • ravensnterps said...

              Pittsburgh's entire offense with the noteable exception of 1 person...a WR not named Mike Wallace.

              Where are the Pittsburgh fans to weigh in on this.

              Complete speculation here, but perhaps Brown was/is the better option for someone like Roethlisberger when he's hurt because he's a short/intermediate wiggle guy that makes his money on quick hits and YAC. Wallace's moneymaker is obviously his speed and those routes take much more time to develop and the throws require much more push off.

              Also, I doubt that NFL defenses took 1.5 years to figure Wallace out. Everyone knew going into LAST year that he was a real danger. And let's hope that isn't the issue or else we can expect to see Torrey take a dip in production pretty soon.

                jdillon1

              • jdillon1 said...

                Where are the Pittsburgh fans to weigh in on this.

                Complete speculation here, but perhaps Brown was/is the better option for someone like Roethlisberger when he's hurt because he's a short/intermediate wiggle guy that makes his money on quick hits and YAC. Wallace's moneymaker is obviously his speed and those routes take much more time to develop and the throws require much more push off.

                Also, I doubt that NFL defenses took 1.5 years to figure Wallace out. Everyone knew going into LAST year that he was a real danger. And let's hope that isn't the issue or else we can expect to see Torrey take a dip in production pretty soon.

                I mean the easy answer is "Wallace was opening things up for Brown." But I think that is far too simplistic. But the long answer to your question is no. Brown averaged 19 yards per catch over the same span in which Wallace averaged only 13 (weeks 9-16).

                  ravensnterps

                • wallace is a stud. we should get him. because torrey also can go deep doesnt mean we shouldnt get him. we need more wrs who can seperate. wallace excels at that. he's still getting better too.

                    286

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                  • 286 said...

                    wallace is a stud. we should get him. because torrey also can go deep doesnt mean we shouldnt get him. we need more wrs who can seperate. wallace excels at that. he's still getting better too.

                    In a perfect world I agree it's never a bad thing to have too many good players even if they're good at the same thing. But when you couple the redundancy with the fact that your QB and RB need contracts, too, it means it won't happen.

                      ravensnterps

                    • Man.... yall not hearing me. FUCK MIKE WALLACE! We dont need him. I feel you we can make a play and drive up the price, I dont know all the parameters of that, but we better not end up with him. Not for a 1st rounder! Damn that. Ozzie drafts HOFers. is Mike Wallace a hall of famer? No, then I will take our chances in the draft. Besides we beat the steelers last year with him playing, so who cares if they keep him.

                      And as previously stated, Cam Cameron has demonstrated that he doesnt need more than 1 WR to run his shitty offense. See weeks 15 and 16, where Torrey was the only wideout to catch a pass. Im done here, I cant wait till the steelers resign this asswipe at some ridiculous pricetag.

                        Watch how much evil we call the crime picks up...There is nothing else to do Sal!- Ray Lewis

                        TerrapinFanMan

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                      • id actually rather sign vincent jackson

                          The Based Lord

                          JelIytoast

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                        • I wouldn't mind signing Reggie Wayne for a year or two.

                            bkmalik

                          • bkmalik said...

                            I wouldn't mind signing Reggie Wayne for a year or two.

                            If he'd come cheap then sure though I don't see the real value in it considering Smith and Boldin are going to be the guys and Flacco - whether you want to blame it on Cams offense or whatever - doesn't seem the type of QB that can spread the ball out to several different guys and keep them all happy.

                              ravensnterps

                            • I'm also in favor of Vincent Jackson but he is injury prone, already 29 and in big trouble if he fails another drug test. At least we wouldn't have to give up a draft pick to get him though. I think Reggie Wayne would be a mistake for the amount of money it would take to sign him. He seems like a possession receiver at this point in his career.

                                charmcity3131

                              • ravensnterps said...

                                If he'd come cheap then sure though I don't see the real value in it considering Smith and Boldin are going to be the guys and Flacco - whether you want to blame it on Cams offense or whatever - doesn't seem the type of QB that can spread the ball out to several different guys and keep them all happy.

                                Really don't see the value in brining in a quality vet at a good price? Right now they have 2 worthwhile WRs on the team (assuming Evans goes away). You need more than that in case of injury if nothing else. Boldin is going to be 32 and has injury history anyway (only played a full season in 3 of his 9 seasons). They can't go into next year with Laquan Williams or Tandon Doss as the #3 WR.

                                Plus, Wayne's 33, will be 34 during this season. He's not going to get a massive deal at that age. I'd bet he could be had on a contending team like Baltimore for a club friendly deal. Plus he was Ed Reed's roommate at the U.

                                This post was edited by bkmalik on 2/23/2012 at 5:22 AM

                                  bkmalik

                                • Yea, no one is giving Wayne big money

                                    02terp

                                  • 02terp said...

                                    Yea, no one is giving Wayne big money

                                    This. And I don't want him for small money either.

                                    Diff position: Isn't Dayquil a UFA this year? Any chance we'd be interested?

                                      Cremesicle

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                                    • ravenlunatic said...

                                      The Ravens need to make a play just to make a play. It's a cat and mouse game that will only hurt the Steelers regardless of where Wallace ends up (or stays.)

                                      It's more "chicken" than "cat and mouse" but I would have no problem with Oz faking an interest in MW and driving the price up for the Eels to keep him.
                                      In fact that would be awesome.

                                        Cremesicle

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                                      • bkmalik said...

                                        Really don't see the value in brining in a quality vet at a good price? Right now they have 2 worthwhile WRs on the team (assuming Evans goes away). You need more than that in case of injury if nothing else. Boldin is going to be 32 and has injury history anyway (only played a full season in 3 of his 9 seasons). They can't go into next year with Laquan Williams or Tandon Doss as the #3 WR.

                                        Plus, Wayne's 33, will be 34 during this season. He's not going to get a massive deal at that age. I'd bet he could be had on a contending team like Baltimore for a club friendly deal. Plus he was Ed Reed's roommate at the U.

                                        Again - if he can come cheap I'm for it. I understand the other factors which may drive his price down, but some team might be willing to overpay a guy like Wayne on name recognition alone.

                                        I don't see why we can't go into next season with Williams/Doss/Lee Evans at our #3 WR. In this offense the #3 WR is a non-factor anyway because he's essentially the 6th option behind Boldin, Smith, Rice, Dickson, and Pitta.

                                          ravensnterps

                                        • I was assuming Evans wouldn't be brought back, but if he is at a cheap dollar amount that's fine too.

                                          The problem is that you need at least one more vet WR over Williams/Doss in case Boldin or Smith miss any kind of significant time. The Ravens have been incredibly lucky with Boldin IMO, based on his history you have to think one of these years he's going to miss significant time (4 or more games). If they end up in a situation where Tandon Doss or Laquan Williams have to start at WR for 1/4 of the season due to injury, it's a failure from a roster standpoint.

                                          I think Wayne at his age and circumstance, plus what I'm assuming would be his price tag (pretty cheap) would be a good fit as that 3rd WR/insurance policy.

                                            bkmalik

                                          • bkmalik said...

                                            I was assuming Evans wouldn't be brought back, but if he is at a cheap dollar amount that's fine too.

                                            The problem is that you need at least one more vet WR over Williams/Doss in case Boldin or Smith miss any kind of significant time. The Ravens have been incredibly lucky with Boldin IMO, based on his history you have to think one of these years he's going to miss significant time (4 or more games). If they end up in a situation where Tandon Doss or Laquan Williams have to start at WR for 1/4 of the season due to injury, it's a failure from a roster standpoint.

                                            I think Wayne at his age and circumstance, plus what I'm assuming would be his price tag (pretty cheap) would be a good fit as that 3rd WR/insurance policy.

                                            True, but you can't just load every position with 1-4 top depth just in case of injury. It's the risk of the cap era. I mean look what happened when Harrison went down (and out) in Indy. That's what gave guys like Garcon and Collie a chance. And yeah I know our offense isn't theirs and Flacco is no Manning but you get the point. You don't need pro bowlers or former pro bowlers at every spot on the depth chart. San Diego had the #1 offense in the NFL 2 years ago with Rivers throwing to complete scrubs most of the year because of injuries/hold outs.

                                              ravensnterps

                                            • I have a lot of faith in their ability to find bargain/quality veteran FAs to fill out the depth at most positions. It seems like just about every year they grab a guy like Jim Leonard, Cory Redding, Bernard Pollard, etc., and that guy ends up far outperforming expectations/salary. That's what I would assume they'll need to do at several spots this year, notably OL/DL/WR, for depth.

                                                bkmalik

                                              • bkmalik said...

                                                I have a lot of faith in their ability to find bargain/quality veteran FAs to fill out the depth at most positions. It seems like just about every year they grab a guy like Jim Leonard, Cory Redding, Bernard Pollard, etc., and that guy ends up far outperforming expectations/salary. That's what I would assume they'll need to do at several spots this year, notably OL/DL/WR, for depth.

                                                Agreed, but that person isn't Reggie Wayne. Wayne is a cut above that class of FA. You're thinking more along the lines of what we tried to do with a TJ Houshmandzadeh.

                                                  ravensnterps

                                                • ravensnterps said...

                                                  Agreed, but that person isn't Reggie Wayne. Wayne is a cut above that class of FA. You're thinking more along the lines of what we tried to do with a TJ Houshmandzadeh.

                                                  Not at all. They took on Bryant McKinnie and Andre Gurode just this past year, but 30+year old former Pro Bowl guys cut loose by their previous teams. Same with Willie Anderson at OT a few years back, another former Pro Bowl guy. Matt Birk too.

                                                  All older vets signed to reasonable short term deals that (except for Gurode) performed very well.

                                                    bkmalik

                                                  • Evans would be stupid not to accept a restructure and stay. If he's cheap enough, I say bring him back. Better option than Wayne.

                                                    OMG that's almost like agreeing with R+T, shoot me now.

                                                      Cremesicle

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