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Official Baltimore Ravens 2011-2012 Season Thread

  • 286 said...

    joe is a shotgun qb. he's 6'6 and slow, wtf does he take a ridiculous amount of snaps under center? tom brady doesnt do that. takes longer for plays to develop, longer to see the field, etc. qbs are far more comfortable throwing from shotgun. stats prove it, i dont know why so many teams are behind the curve.

    I haaate that he takes so many snaps under center.

    indianajones4 ●

  • I think ravensnterps' reputation is harming him, here.

    I also think he's more correct than a lot of you are willing to acknowledge, and you're only supported by the masses agreeing with everyone that he's a terrible poster.

    I don't think Joe Flacco is very good. Instead of relying on a bunch of Ravens fans to reach a consensus on him, look at the national view. I don't know for sure, but I'd bet that a whole lot of people are starting to wonder if he will ever be a legitimate franchise quarterback.

    I really do hope I'm wrong, but I'm this close to being convinced that he will never be it.

    jdillon1

  • the national view? lol

    286A

  • 286 said...

    the national view? lol

    +1000000

    The national view is fucking Bill Simmons and Merrill Hoge.

    And I don't think anyone thinks Flacco is much more than above average (i.e. in the 10-12range).

    bkmalik

  • jdillon1 said...

    I think ravensnterps' reputation is harming him, here.

    I also think he's more correct than a lot of you are willing to acknowledge, and you're only supported by the masses agreeing with everyone that he's a terrible poster.

    I don't think Joe Flacco is very good. Instead of relying on a bunch of Ravens fans to reach a consensus on him, look at the national view. I don't know for sure, but I'd bet that a whole lot of people are starting to wonder if he will ever be a legitimate franchise quarterback.

    I really do hope I'm wrong, but I'm this close to being convinced that he will never be it.

    I agree with jdillon. I remain very doubtful that we can win a SB with Joe at QB. I really hope I'm wrong. And for those who say "BUT WE WON A SB WITH TRENT DILFER!!!!" the NFL has changed quite a bit since then. You have to have a very good QB to win it these days.

    terps687

  • in 2010, Aaron Rodgers threw for 300 more yards, 3 more TDs and 1 more INT than Joe Flacco.

    AlphaOmega said... im sorry i was confusing...your "Superbowl" was the Redskins losing since you know that the Ravens cant win it all.

    TheHugeManatee

  • TheHugeManatee said...

    in 2010, Aaron Rodgers threw for 300 more yards, 3 more TDs and 1 more INT than Joe Flacco.

    Whoopty doo.

    Precisely why stats mean pretty much nothing.

    ravensnterps

  • you are retarded

    AlphaOmega said... im sorry i was confusing...your "Superbowl" was the Redskins losing since you know that the Ravens cant win it all.

    TheHugeManatee

  • terps687 said...

    I agree with jdillon. I remain very doubtful that we can win a SB with Joe at QB. I really hope I'm wrong. And for those who say "BUT WE WON A SB WITH TRENT DILFER!!!!" the NFL has changed quite a bit since then. You have to have a very good QB to win it these days.

    I won't mention Dilfer, but in the last decade or so Kerry Collins, Rex Grossman, Eli Manning, Jake Delhomme, and Brad Johnson have been to the SB. I don't think that bunch is significantly better than Flacco, so I don't think it's crazy to think Flacco can take the Ravens there. He needs to be part of a good team to get there, he's not going to carry a mediocre team there, a la #18 for the Colts.

    joebookman

  • Has Joe Flacco taken us to the playoffs his only three years in the league? YES. Has Joe Flacco won at least 1 game in the playoffs each of those years? YES. Has Joe Flacco advanced to the AFC Championship game in his career? Yes. So is it really that nuts to say he's going to win that championship game and then win a Superbowl? I wouldn't say so.

    How many quarterbacks in the NFL right now can say they can match the results that Joe Flacco has produced as far as wins and playoff success in the last three years? Not many. So I don't care if you don't go by stats. What do you go by wins? Well he has those too.

    Clearly Joe is still inconsistent, but he is our quarterback and a successful quarterback at that.

    wbonnington

  • i think people forgot how long it took us to find a quarterback.

    AlphaOmega said... im sorry i was confusing...your "Superbowl" was the Redskins losing since you know that the Ravens cant win it all.

    TheHugeManatee

  • TheHugeManatee said...

    i think people forgot how long it took us to find a quarterback.

    Definitely. Only 14 years, right?

    FWIW, if Eli can win a Super Bowl then Flacco can. Pretty similar players IMO.

    bkmalik

  • IVWT

  • ravensnterps said...

    Whoopty doo.

    Precisely why stats mean pretty much nothing.

    Haha, a numerical representation of actual events means nothing compared to your analysis? You seem like an OK guy but surely you can see why people might not take comments like this seriously. Anyhow, I don't think there's really much disagreement here as some think. No one is saying that Flacco is Aaron Rodgers or even elite at this point. I don't think it's unfair to say he's slightly above average.

    I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right?

    Omar Little

  • Completely unrelated to the on-field stuff, Mrs. Bookman bought a couple of tix (Ticketmaster) from a coworker to the Week 16 Browns game, to give as a gift. The tickets say the game is "Sunday, December 24th". The 24th is obviously Saturday. I don't think it's a big deal, but the last thing we want is for the recipients to show up at the game and be told sorry, these tickets are not legitimate. So should I not worry about it? Check with the Ravens? Check with Ticketmaster?

    joebookman

  • joebookman said...

    Completely unrelated to the on-field stuff, Mrs. Bookman bought a couple of tix (Ticketmaster) from a coworker to the Week 16 Browns game, to give as a gift. The tickets say the game is "Sunday, December 24th". The 24th is obviously Saturday. I don't think it's a big deal, but the last thing we want is for the recipients to show up at the game and be told sorry, these tickets are not legitimate. So should I not worry about it? Check with the Ravens? Check with Ticketmaster?

    do they have a barcode? I've never seen a ticket taker do anything but scan the ticket. If it's barcoded it won't be a problem.

    ravenlunatic

  • Yes, there is a barcode.

    joebookman

  • no worries then...all those retards are doing is trying to keep the lines moving so I'm certain your friends are gonna be fine.

    on a fantasy note - ESPN's front page has a giant picture of a sulking Flacco saying...
    "Trustworthy Guy - One bad week does not define a QB. Count on the Ravens' Joe Flacco to help fill out your roster. "

    I feel sad for anyone who has to start Flacco at QB on their fantasy team.

    ravenlunatic

  • Just call the ticket office

    strOterp

  • jdillon1 said...

    I think ravensnterps' reputation is harming him, here.

    I also think he's more correct than a lot of you are willing to acknowledge, and you're only supported by the masses agreeing with everyone that he's a terrible poster.

    I don't think Joe Flacco is very good. Instead of relying on a bunch of Ravens fans to reach a consensus on him, look at the national view. I don't know for sure, but I'd bet that a whole lot of people are starting to wonder if he will ever be a legitimate franchise quarterback.

    I really do hope I'm wrong, but I'm this close to being convinced that he will never be it.

    lol the "national view" of analysts and "experts" love him.

    Terp08

  • 286 said...

    the national view? lol

    He probably meant 'non-homer view'.

    I wouldn't care about the national view either. However, Ravens fans probably should not get too comfortable with the thought of Flacco being a long-term answer at QB, assuming championships are the goal. It's looking more and more like he doesn't have 'it'. Stats aside, I don't see any leadership qualities or any ability in him to lift this team up in the crunch time of a game. Cam Cameron's offense probably is awful but he still seems like he gets confused too often against half-way decent defenses. However, I guess we're supposed to overlook this because he never looks nervous.

    I could be wrong but the evidence seems to be building.

    This post was edited by funbunny on 10/26/2011 at 8:52 PM

    funbunny

  • TheHugeManatee said...

    2008 428 257 60% 2,971 6.9 70 14 12

    2009 499 315 63.1% 3,613 7.2 72 21 12

    2010 489 306 62.6% 3,622 7.4 67 25 10

    Consistent improvement. We're 1/3 of the way in this year. Everyone needs to chill the fuck out. Random bad losses happen. We win @ Pitt in two weeks and we're right back where we were before the JAX game.

    ***DISCLAIMER***
    I blame most of what I say in this post on Cam and the unsettled oline we've had.

    Consistent improvement is great, but I'd rather see consistency from game to game for a year (half to half would be even better). The only consistency I see is that you never know which Flacco you're going to get any given night.

    This is the sh!t I'm tired of seeing from this team....from a Monday night game against the browns in 2009 -

    "The Ravens (5-4) didn't score in the opening half, when they used up their three timeouts in the first 6:15, committed silly penalties, converted just one third down and actually made the Browns (1-8) look respectable."

    Now that game we found a way to win, and it's slightly more acceptable because it was against a division rival. But I'm sick of playing down to the level of our opponents in these damn games. Change the team records and the outcome and that quote perfectly fits with monday night's game. What Jax did to us monday was the defensive equivalent of what the saints did to the colts. Super bowl caliber teams just dont let themselves lose that game. We'll get to the playoffs because we do have a talented team, usually Flacco's hot streaks make up for his cold streaks, and our D is pretty good, but I just don't see us being capable of winning or probably even getting to the super bowl. I just don't want to become the Buffalo Bills of playoffs (or Colts pre 200...8?)

    Also the only "national view" I've seen on Flacco is "is Flacco better then ryan" and "is Flacco an elite quarterback", so I'm not sure what thats supposed to be about.

    This post was edited by kcashmoney on 10/26/2011 at 10:14 PM

    kcashmoney

  • funbunny said...

    He probably meant 'non-homer view'.

    I wouldn't care about the national view either. However, Ravens fans probably should not get too comfortable with the thought of Flacco being a long-term answer at QB, assuming championships are the goal. It's looking more and more like he doesn't have 'it'. Stats aside, I don't see any leadership qualities or any ability in him to lift this team up in the crunch time of a game. Cam Cameron's offense probably is awful but he still seems like he gets confused too often against half-way decent defenses. However, I guess we're supposed to overlook this because he never looks nervous.

    I could be wrong but the evidence seems to be building.

    Thank you. Didn't mean the media. They're retarded. I'm talking about educated fans across the country who have seen enough of Flacco to form an opinion.

    Joe is a decent quarterback. Wouldn't call him good or bad. Did anyone feel good about our situation when we got the ball back for the final drive on Monday? Really think about it. If you have a good quarterback, you feel good, or at least legitimately hopeful. I wasn't. And then we didn't even get close.

    Sucks...really want him to be good so Ray and Ed can win.

    jdillon1

  • Terp08 said...

    lol the "national view" of analysts and "experts" love him.

    Experts love him because they see improving stats that are actually pretty good, he's tall, he has a big arm, and his team wins. I don't love him because I see everything else. Tough pill to swallow, but I don't want to be in denial so long that we could potentially be stuck with a meh quarterback for too many years.

    jdillon1

  • Omar Little said...

    Haha, a numerical representation of actual events means nothing compared to your analysis? You seem like an OK guy but surely you can see why people might not take comments like this seriously. Anyhow, I don't think there's really much disagreement here as some think. No one is saying that Flacco is Aaron Rodgers or even elite at this point. I don't think it's unfair to say he's slightly above average.

    I could be wrong, but I think he's saying that stats can be misleading because, according to the numbers, they're very similar players. Really, though, one is a top 3 quarterback (this was also true last year, so don't say that he's only turned into that this year) and one is probably on the wrong side of the top 10.

    jdillon1

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