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Official Baltimore Ravens 2011-2012 Season Thread

  • I think of Mason as a "good is the enemy of great" kind of situation. He was fine, good, reliable, solid, tough... all those things. But 7, 8, 9, 12 yard gains can't be the entirety of your offense. We had too much of the same thing last year in Mason, Boldin, Housh, Heap. Good route runners, good hands, tough to bring down, etc. They're all fine players (well maybe not Housh anymore) and all of them would have a meaningful role on any team but you need a more diverse skill set.

    I'm sure there are numbers out there that indicate how useful a legitimate deep threat (one that is actually used) is to an offense. Remember that bullshit pass interference called against us when the Steelers bombed it to Wallace early in the playoff game? Shitty call, no way he catches that ball, but the deep throw caused the flag. We need more of that. And I think Mason kind of limited our options in terms of explosive plays.

    The Steelers get it. Those guys take deep shots on the reg. Only good things can happen if you have a quarterback who knows what he is doing. Who knows whether Lee Evans will be the answer but I'm completely ok with letting Mason go and trying something new, because I don't think switching the two would make any of us feel drastically better about this season's outlook.

    jdillon1

  • I agree we needed a deep threat, but it didnt have to me Mason or Evans. We could have had both.

    286A

  • 286 said...

    I agree we needed a deep threat, but it didnt have to me Mason or Evans. We could have had both.

    1. would that have worked under the salary cap?

    2. would that have worked with mason's ego?

    3. which player gives you more this year: mason or boldin? next year? the year after?

    don't forget that mason was prone to go off, and as a "vocal vet" may have made it hard for flacco to take over the huddle/O. i like what mason did for us, but how many times last year was he the open guy when we needed an open receiver in a critical game?

    remember, it's better to get rid of a guy a year too early than a year too late. and look what you have now. boldin tutors doss and l.williams, evans tutors d.reed and t.smith. i think for now and the next 2-3 years that has more benefits.

    i'm not sure we could have fit evans in with mason (plus which of d.reed, t.smith, doss and l.williams do you get rid of to keep mason) and evans was a necessity as neither d.reed or t.smith is ready to be the go to deep guy for a super bowl push all season.

    Esquireski

  • I think we are going to see Doss make the biggest impact of any of the rookie wideouts. He may already have the best hands on the team so as the season progresses and he gets better at running routes, he could develop into that Derrick Mason 5-10 yard sure thing that Flacco looks for.

    WheresWallace

  • Remember that drop mason had in the endzone v pittsburgh? I do. The diva attitude wore thin, couldn't get it done in the big games(along with MANY others). Boldin needs to be the primary target, evans stretches the field. Much better fit.

    BrotherAbstract


  • Ravens counting on Dickson, Pitta to fill void left by Heap

    Second-year tight ends will be relied upon not only to make big catches, but also to block well

    By Ken Murray, The Baltimore Sun

    10:45 p.m. EDT, September 9, 2011

    Separated by just 44 picks in the 2010 draft, Ed Dickson and Dennis Pitta still bring a tag-team dimension to the Ravens a year later.

    Indeed, it seems fitting the Ravens will try to replace two-time Pro Bowl tight end Todd Heap this season with a combination of the talents of Dickson, taken in the third round, and Pitta, taken in the fourth.

    But like Heap early in his career, Dickson and Pitta have shown rare qualities that may stand the test of time.

    "Both can make plays; both have unique things about them," said Eric DeCosta, the Ravens' director of player personnel. "We think both are playmakers and both are clutch players."

    Both are 6 feet 4 with powerful bodies. At 255, Dickson, from Oregon, is 10 pounds heavier. At 26, Pitta is two years older, having walked on at Brigham Young in 2003 and finished his career in 2009, with a two-year church mission to the Dominican Republic in between.

    Unique?

    Dickson had catches of 58 yards (vs. Denver) and 34 (vs. New Orleans) in his rookie season, and had a 33-yard reception this preseason. Pitta tied for the team lead with seven preseason catches, including an acrobatic, over-the-defender grab for 27 yards in Philadelphia.

    These are two tight ends who know how to get open and make plays downfield. They were primarily receiving tight ends in college. The question is: Will they be able to make nearly as many plays in the passing game — and block as well — as Heap?

    "I don't think we're going to lose anything, just by the nature of our group," Dickson said. "We're a very bright, smart group, myself, Dennis and Kris Wilson. We're not going to miss that much. We're going to miss [Heap] in the meeting room … but we're definitely going to pick up his slack and we're going to hold our standards up just for him."

    Heap's standards were pretty high. He had 148 catches from 2005 to 2006. He went to Pro Bowls in 2002 and 2003. But he battled periodic injury and had just 40 catches for five touchdowns last season.

    On an offense that needed to find more speed, Dickson likely will start in Sunday's season opener against the Pittsburgh Steelers, but Pitta figures to get ample playing time. Both players are capable of lining up in the slot or along the line in the traditional tight end position.

    "You're going to see them both in the game in different packages," offensive coordinator Cam Cameron said. "In my mind, we've got two starting tight ends, and each brings something unique to our offense. So we're going to utilize them both, and I think we approach them both as starters."

    Pitta, who lacks Dickson's speed but has good hands like Dickson, said he's prepared to play a lot.

    "I don't know how it will play out," Pitta said. "All I can do is, when I get in there, do everything I can to help our team be successful. That's my focus. I'm prepared to take a lot of snaps. Whether that's the case or not, we'll see."

    Pitta's production over the summer should comfort Cameron and quarterback Joe Flacco.

    "I just hope I was able to build some chemistry and trust with Joe," Pitta said. "Obviously, that's an important part of our passing game. Hopefully, I was able to show that I can be a guy that can be trusted on the field; that's the most important part."

    At BYU, where he caught 221 career passes, Pitta occasionally blocked at the point of attack. Both players, DeCosta said, need to improve their blocking skills. The Steelers will provide the first, and maybe biggest, test.

    "One of Todd's greatest improvements from the time he got here until he left was as a blocker," DeCosta said. "Both guys are good football players with physicality. [But] both need to get stronger at the point of attack."

    Dickson likes the idea of being a three-down tight end and said he blocked more than he went out in pass routes at Oregon. His speed (he ran a sub-4.6-second 40-yard dash at the scouting combine in 2010) puts him among the league's quicker tight ends. His fondness for being physical makes him a good weapon in the Ravens' offense.

    "I thrive off any matchups. It doesn't matter who I'm out there playing against," he said. "If I had Troy Polamalu [of the Steelers], he's a great, great safety, him and Ed Reed. I thrive off those matchups. Just to go against somebody of that magnitude makes me better.

    "I'm not putting a cap on what I'm going to achieve this year. Our overall goal every week is to get that 'W', so if I'm contributing toward that, it's great for me. At the end of the season, if I'm Pro Bowl-bound, I'm Pro-Bowl bound. If I've got 50, 60 catches, I'll take it, too, as long as we keep winning."

    Layman ... Jake Layman!

    reeceg1

  • Webb being spun around like a top, on the deep ball, scares the s**t out of me. I think we can score against Pittsburgh.

    Layman ... Jake Layman!

    reeceg1

  • Anyone still missing mason and heap?

    kcashmoney

  • Barring injury, the o line is only going to get better. In Oz we trust.

    Rutherf_

  • kcashmoney said...

    Anyone still missing mason and heap?

    Not this guy!

    bkmalik

  • bkmalik said...

    Not this guy!

    still think i was foolish for saying i liked what dickson and pitta showed in limited time last year and that they looked like they could be effective?

    Esquireski

  • So we've upgraded at TE, right?

    I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right?

    Omar Little

  • Esquireski said...

    still think i was foolish for saying i liked what dickson and pitta showed in limited time last year and that they looked like they could be effective?

    I still don't think they showed much last year (especially Pitta) but they showed plenty today!

    bkmalik

  • bkmalik said...

    I still don't think they showed much last year (especially Pitta) but they showed plenty today!

    I think not having two veteran safety nets like Heap and Mason will make Joe a better QB. He has to look for the open man not just who he is most comfortable with. OLine looked awesome for not playing in a game together.

    Pic Sigs are for losers.

    jgdomino

  • Obviously you're not going to be +7 in turnovers every Sunday, but today:

    --was essentially the 1st game for the restructured o-line
    --arguably the top 2 corners (Smith, Williams) missed time with injury
    --1 WR (Boldin) caught a pass
    --arguably the 2nd best pass rusher (Kindle) was inactive

    And it was still a 28 point win. A lot to look forward to based on today.

    joebookman

  • joebookman said...

    Obviously you're not going to be +7 in turnovers every Sunday, but today:

    --was essentially the 1st game for the restructured o-line --arguably the top 2 corners (Smith, Williams) missed time with injury --1 WR (Boldin) caught a pass --arguably the 2nd best pass rusher (Kindle) was inactive

    And it was still a 28 point win. A lot to look forward to based on today.

    and it all happened against the defending AFC champions.

    I don't know what you mean, but it had the cadence of a joke.

    GhostOfEaston

  • Webb played well today but Jimmy Smith needs to be in there. I really like how the O-line played and gave Flacco time to throw. Some of the hits today were amazing. The TE's played well, pretty darn good 1st game.

    terphoopfanhook

  • terphoopfanhook said...

    Webb played well today but Jimmy Smith needs to be in there. I really like how the O-line played and gave Flacco time to throw. Some of the hits today were amazing. The TE's played well, pretty darn good 1st game.

    Reports are that Smith might have a high ankle sprain...not good.

    dintymoore

  • dintymoore said...

    Reports are that Smith might have a high ankle sprain...not good.

    Aaron Wilson on tweeter said it is thought to not be serious. I hope it is not the high ankle that could bother him all year...

    terphoopfanhook

  • terphoopfanhook said...

    Aaron Wilson on tweeter said it is thought to not be serious. I hope it is not the high ankle that could bother him all year...

    When was Wilson's tweet?

    Jamison reporting the HAS news...

    dintymoore

  • On special teams...they just never learn

    kcashmoney

  • On the first freaking kickoff of the year. So stupid.

    I believe one of Wilson's tweets said that Smith left the locker room on crutches. Not good, figure he's out a minimum of 3-4 weeks. Plus useless old Chris Carr pulled his hammy AGAIN, was in street clothes before the game was over.

    This is why they didn't trade/cut Foxworth, BTW. Need as many competent CBs as you can get.

    bkmalik

  • Good thing the next two games should be rather easy wins, and I don't see how they don't destroy Sanchez at home.

    charmcity3131

  • The 2nd Steeler game is game #8 for the Ravens. Here are the 8 QB's they face after Steeler game #2.

    Colt McCoy (x2)
    Andy Dalton (x2)
    Tavaris Jackson
    Alex Smith
    Kerry Collins
    PhiLLLLip Rivers

    To call that 2nd half of the season group a laughable bunch is an insult to laughable bunches.

    joebookman

  • Might have to replace Andy Dalton with Bruce Gradkowski.

    Also, Peter King tweeted yesterday that if Manning is out 3 months, then 3 months from Sunday (yesterday) was Indy's 13th game, @ Baltimore.

    Of course, if Indy is 0-12, I doubt they worry about bringing Manning back.

    Someone else also theorized that someone in the Indy organizatio could be on a plane to Hattiesburg soon (mega-LOL).

    This post was edited by bkmalik on 9/12/2011 at 7:02 AM

    bkmalik