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ORIOLES Offseason Thread (O's Extend O'Day)

  • Anybody who is cheap and productive is someone we need to keep, not trade. Strop would be one of the few guys in that category I would consider trading.

    The two things that should be done immediately is locking up Buck long-term/retaining the coaching staff and giving Wieters a 6-year extension. Then we can go from there.

    charmcity3131

  • I'd lean towards not bringing back Reynolds. If we don't, what's the plan at first? Put Davis there? And if that's the case, what's the plan at DH?

    terps687

  • do you guys see Flaherty as a career utility guy?

    after we move macho to SS (sooner the better), how about giving Flaherty a go at 3b?

    I wouldn't have thought this plausible but he has shown power.

    grapplerTerp

  • terps687 said...

    I'd lean towards not bringing back Reynolds. If we don't, what's the plan at first? Put Davis there? And if that's the case, what's the plan at DH?

    yup, CD @ 1st.

    here's how I would handle the infield this off season:

    let reynolds walk.
    cd to 1st.
    trade hardy for a 3b (hardy's stock is not low as some people here seem to think)
    sign 2b

    I'm saying this assuming the FA market for 2b is deeper than third. it was when I took a quick look at the possible FAs.

    grapplerTerp

  • Flaherty came on a little at the end of the year, but SSS and all that. I think he's a career utility guy, and I don't think his D is good enough to play 3rd on a regular basis. Wouldn't be surprised to see him start off in Norfolk next year.

    IVWT

  • What starting 3B are you trading Hardy for?

    IVWT

  • what kind of money is Nate going to command?

    grapplerTerp

  • IVWT said...

    What starting 3B are you trading Hardy for?

    edit- never mind.

    This post was edited by grapplerTerp on 10/14/2012 at 5:17 PM

    grapplerTerp

  • question:
    how long does it take for the ticket refunds to go through? Im still havent been credited for the tiebreaker tickets

    TerpsLegend27

  • Very curious to see what the plan for Bundy is. I would love to see him make it a difficult decision to send him down next March.

    joebookman

  • joebookman said...

    Very curious to see what the plan for Bundy is. I would love to see him make it a difficult decision to send him down next March.

    I think service time will play a lot in to it as well.. O's have plenty of depth, so he's either going to come in as a top 2 in the rotation or in AAA

    I think it's kind of unrespectful- Ovie

    terpskinsfan21

  • grapplerTerp said...

    what kind of money is Nate going to command?

    I can't imagine too much, but a lot more than he would've commanded 3 weeks ago.

    terps687

  • Reynolds at .800+ OPS with plus D might be worth $11M in this marketplace. His track record says this year was not the norm. Who knows? Hopefully they do something like 2 for $16M with a club option.

    BCiB

  • What are we thinking with regards to a backup catcher? Keep Teagarden or look for a better option in FA

    b1210k

  • Reynolds was awful late, but I'm wondering how hurt he was. He took 3 or 4 shots, whether by HBP or foul ball, that looked pretty bad. He was beat up.

    goheels1117

  • Reynolds is fine, but realistically for about 5M. It's tough for him to justify 11M - he's basically done that maybe once in his career. Now he might be a plus defender at first, he can draw a walk, and he should hit 30+ HR if fully healthy...but it's just so damn hard to generate a lot of value when you're a 1B who hits .220 every season and strikes out 200 times.

    Tabe

  • goheels1117 said...

    Reynolds was awful late, but I'm wondering how hurt he was. He took 3 or 4 shots, whether by HBP or foul ball, that looked pretty bad. He was beat up.

    Reynolds was heating up when he started getting drilled. I think his track record says he'll have a better year in 2013. Hardy as well.

    GunnerOne 84

  • FA C class is solid. Not sure how much we want to spend on 30ish starts, but I would like someone better than Teabagger.

    Titanterp

  • If Wieters is planning on playing the same amount of games next season, Teagarden is fine.

    I'm not sure we should want that though.

    Same with AJ.

    grapplerTerp

  • chivas said...

    Excited for the offseason. Duq and Buck will steer us the right way, and I cannot believe I am saying this but....I think Angelos will allow them to do whatever they want to do dollar wise. Not necessarily NYY blankcheck style, but if the "right guy" is there we may break the bank a little for him (after or in addition to extending Wieters). Personally would like to retain Nate Dogg and Reynolds, upgrade 2nd and target a legit TOR pitcher. In Duq/Buck we trust!

    PA will do whatever Buck and DD want. Take it to the bank....

    tagterp

  • BCiB said...

    I've been in the tank for Reynolds since day 1, but am starting to waver.

    Pros - nobody available is better, love his D and his attitude, there is a reasonable chance that this was an off year and he will be better next season and, perhaps most importantly, what does $11M really get you any more? I think with this new TV money that $11M is going to be a fairly average type player (amazingly).

    This.

    Reynolds found a home at First base and in Baltimore.

    tagterp

  • UMTerp said...

    Well he had a negative WAR this year...

    Though I guess he could be a potential bargain if you can negotiate down from the $11mm, since this was his worst year in like five. The HR total this year is a bit worrisome.

    He's the right age, was great defensively, and seems like he's liked by all though. I'm fine wither way - it's not like it's impossible to find a 1B that will give you what Reynolds gave this season.

    Who on the FA list meets your criteria and who could have the chemistry cred with the current core of Reynolds?

    tagterp

  • joebookman said...

    Very curious to see what the plan for Bundy is. I would love to see him make it a difficult decision to send him down next March.

    I think the plan will be very similar to this season. He'll start the year at Bowie or Norfolk pitching 3 innings a game for the first few starts and slowly building up his innings limit. That way come June/July he'll be ready for Baltimore with no restrictions and no need to shut him down late in September/October.

    jsh

  • b1210k said...

    What are we thinking with regards to a backup catcher? Keep Teagarden or look for a better option in FA

    Napoli???

    tagterp

  • Some thoughts:

    - I want at least two SP added to the roster. Whether that's through FA or trade doesn't matter to me. The SP market in FA is pretty strong. I'd be a very happy man with Anibal Sanchez but he may end up getting more than he's worth due to some of the top arms re-upping with their team.

    - Ideally we bring Reynolds back for less money but I don't think picking up his 11M option is that big of a deal. Reynolds lost weight last offseason to try and make himself a better 3B and I think that may have impacted his hitting this year. I'm curious as to whether or not he'll add that weight back this offseason since he's no longer playing 3B. He actually cut down his K% for the third time in three years, down to under 30% for the first time in his career. He also posted his 2nd highest BB% of his career. If there's one stat that really stands out to me it's that Reynolds HR/FB% was the lowest of his career since his rookie season, down over 4% from last year.

    - If we're bringing back Reynolds and McLouth than I'm not sure there's a spot on this team for Davis. Reimold should be healthy, Betemit will be back and is ideally platooning at DH and you have Hoes sitting at Norfolk. Davis' contract situation is very team friendly which makes him a very attractive trade chip. I love the guy but if we can flip him for a 2B or a SP than I'm all for moving him.

    - I'll repeat again that trading Hardy this offseason would be foolish. You'd be hard pressed to find someone as valuable as Hardy is to this team. He's one of the best defenders in the game at SS, if not the best. What he contributes with his bat is just gravy. He's also coming off of one of his worst offensive seasons so what you would get for him now is less than what you'd likely get for him in July or next offseason.

    - Backup C is something DD needs to upgrade. We can't continue to run Wieters out there as much as we do and I'm not sure the workload isn't negatively affecting his workload.

    - It's going to be interesting to see how the finances work this offseason, not just the O's but for all of MLB. There's a huge influx of cash with the new TV deals signed by MLB, as well as all the RSN deals being signed by teams. The Orioles have also seen a big influx from ticket sales, merchandise sales and MASN. I'll be very interested to see where our payroll is come ST.

    This post was edited by jsh on 10/14/2012 at 6:09 PM

    jsh