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Is Mark Gottfried now a good hire?

  • Gottfried is still only an OK hire, nowhere as good as Coach T.
    T helped his school avoid the Sweet 16 for a school record 9th straight year. I don't think Gottfried has broken any school records yet.

    flexoffense4U

  • Agree or disagree? - Mark Turgeon is easily a top 3 coach in the ACC right now

    Chip Kelly --> NFL --> Fired --> Maryland

    Hogie

  • Hogie said...

    Agree or disagree? - Mark Turgeon is easily a top 3 coach in the ACC right now

    Agree

    And let me guess, wake board thread? They don't know what they are talking about.

    This post was edited by Hot Sauce on 3/18/2012 at 4:06 PM

    Hot Sauce

  • I'll take the 2 obvious choices and Gottfried over Turgeon right this second

    Sorry but the tournament results aren't there for Turgeon like other coaches...1 sweet 16 which was a cinderella run at WSU

    he didn't get out of the 2nd round at A&M

    with Boeheim and Dixon coming in, Turgeon is 6th or 7th at best

    Good. Things. Do. Not. Happen. For. D.C./MD. Sports.

    JoeBlack84

  • JoeBlack84 said...

    Boring hire that's turning out well so far

    sweet 16 in year one with the best 2012 recruiting class in the ACC coming in

    a lot better than a certain school

    I agree. Boston College is in real trouble!

    TheGreenBastard

  • Serious question. What is the angle he is selling to recruits that convinces them to go there?

    MrBoh ●

  • MrBoh said...

    Serious question. What is the angle he is selling to recruits that convinces them to go there?

    JoeBlack thinks he's a great coach!

    Baldwin

  • Hogie said...

    Agree or disagree? - Mark Turgeon is easily a top 3 coach in the ACC right now

    Most of them over there had trouble naming any of the coaches outside of the North Carolina ("Big 4*") schools

    * Not quite.

    texashammer ●

  • neal990 said...

    So far there definitely isn't much for State fans to complain about. Sweet 16 (at least) and a great recruiting class. But like I said in another thread, the knock on him at Alabama was that he could get great talent but couldn't do much with it. Time will tell if he can break that mold at NC State.

    Don't sleep on him bringing in Bobby Lutz as an assistant, which I think might be helping him a lot in the actual coaching department. It will be interesting to see if Lutz gets another head coaching job in the offseason.

    Conference realignment, SoCon style: some actual news (Mercer, ETSU, and VMI?) and a little speculation http://wp.me/plDgR-1jv

    SandlapperSpike

  • So glad JoeBlack got caught by the double post bug so I could downvote him twice.

    "It's just so hard," Greivis said. "It's my heart, my love. Maryland made me who I am."

    RaiseHigh

  • Whatever. NC State snuck into the tournament with a top-20 talented team. I'm certainly not saying Gottfried is a bad hire, but 2 wins doesn't make everything ok.

    In 5 years if NC State has been to the tournament every year and managed to crack into the top-15 once or twice, then I'll consider it a good hire. Gottfried didn't come into the same situation that Turgeon did. He came into a very talented roster and he's been recruiting very well. So he'll have no excuses if he misses the tournament, and by all means they should do some damage in the tournament with that talent.

    Oh, and btw, I never thought Gottfried was a bad hire. Realistically he was one of the best coaches they could have got. But I'm not going to use a season where they were an 11 seed to justify this being a great hire, unless he somehow pushes them to the final 4.

    iheartjamesgist

  • I think one year is not a large enough sample size to say whether a head coach was a "good hire." He's done a good job this year, I think that's certain.

    goterpss

  • Comparing Gottfried year 1 to Turgeon year 1 should result in an automatic banning.

    jsh ●

  • iheartjamesgist said...

    Whatever. NC State snuck into the tournament with a top-20 talented team. I'm certainly not saying Gottfried is a bad hire, but 2 wins doesn't make everything ok.

    recruiting rankings -

    Williams: #144, #25 PG
    Howell: #61, #18 PF
    Painter: #127, #18 C
    Wood: #133, 31 SG
    Brown: #37, #7 PG
    Leslie: #14, #5 SF
    Johnson: graduate transfer from Cal State-Bakersfield

    That's all the guys they play. Basically one stud recruit, two solid ones, four parts, and no depth beyond that. I doubt that anyone is a pro beyond Leslie and maybe Brown down the line. Sid Lowe recruiting tons of talent and driving it into the ground is a pretty big myth. For the most part he had some talent that lacked experience and he drove it into the ground because he sucked.

    Tabe

  • i'm glad you posted that Tabe. NC St.'s talent is pretty overestimated here. people seem to think they are full of 5 star recruits.

    AlphaOmega said... im sorry i was confusing...your "Superbowl" was the Redskins losing since you know that the Ravens cant win it all.

    TheHugeManatee

  • Baldwin said...

    Still too early to tell.

    Stop posting.

    mdmuscles

  • goterpss said...

    I think one year is not a large enough sample size to say whether a head coach was a "good hire." He's done a good job this year, I think that's certain.

    Sweet 16 is a terrible sample size. Go eat a bagel.

    mdmuscles

  • i'll take that as submission

    goterpss

  • I suspect that he's setting up the Woofies for long term disappointment. I'm glad they're better than the crap team they used to be, but I don't think they'll be better than us over the long term.

    SATerp ●

  • The answer is, hes Okay...For now.

    Gottfried had to win this year to prove he was atleast a decent hire. With that roster, and I dont care how overrated you all think it is, there was no excuse not to have those kids win alot of games. They didnt win ALOT but they've gotten to the sweet 16. Well see what he does over the next couple of years with his own players. Same goes for Turge.

    This post was edited by TerrapinFanMan on 3/18/2012 at 6:28 PM

    Watch how much evil we call the crime picks up...There is nothing else to do Sal!- Ray Lewis

    TerrapinFanMan

  • Tabe said...

    recruiting rankings -

    Williams: #144, #25 PG Howell: #61, #18 PF Painter: #127, #18 C Wood: #133, 31 SG Brown: #37, #7 PG Leslie: #14, #5 SF Johnson: graduate transfer from Cal State-Bakersfield

    That's all the guys they play. Basically one stud recruit, two solid ones, four parts, and no depth beyond that. I doubt that anyone is a pro beyond Leslie and maybe Brown down the line. Sid Lowe recruiting tons of talent and driving it into the ground is a pretty big myth. For the most part he had some talent that lacked experience and he drove it into the ground because he sucked.

    This is exactly right, the overestimation of NC ST "talent" on this board is and has been a joke and a perception that a few posters* have tried to create in order to lessen the fact that they have greatly overachieved this season.

    *Devils

    1thegame

  • goterpss said...

    I think one year is not a large enough sample size to say whether a head coach was a "good hire." He's done a good job this year, I think that's certain.

    This is the only sane way to look at it. Tons of great coaching tenures start poorly and tons of crappy coaching tenures start well.

    1thegame

  • SATerp said...

    I suspect that he's setting up the Woofies for long term disappointment. I'm glad they're better than the crap team they used to be, but I don't think they'll be better than us over the long term.

    I agree completely and just made a similar post in the game thread. Their redneck expectations will become unfoundedly high and they'll have trouble with us reclaiming our rightful place above them in the ACC pecking order for the next 15-20 years. There is certainly talent on that team this year, Turgeon's floor with that team would've been 9 ACC wins.

    I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right?

    Omar Little

  • What are you guys seeing that makes you so confident in Turgeon and company?

    His past NCAA tourney success isn't there

    I am taking a wait and see but all of you guys going 'things will get better' with no real basis for it

    you can't point to past success on a high level...at least NC State can do that with Gottfried...he's coached a #1 team and made an Elite 8

    you can say 'Well...uh...Turgeon gets over 20 wins most of the time'

    sorry, but that ain't something that sells me on Turgeon giving us success in the tourney...the best thing I've seen out of Turgeon is that he's Larry Brown's homeboy and got his seal of approval

    Good. Things. Do. Not. Happen. For. D.C./MD. Sports.

    JoeBlack84

  • This is definitely Jeff's alias to force everyone onto premium.

    Tabe

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