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Interesting Transfer Story at SJU/UAB

  • Todd O'Brien is a center who originally started his college career at Bucknell. After his first season he transferred to St. Joseph's. In his first season at St. Joe's he was the starting center and earned the team's Academic Achievement award. The following year the team struggled and O'Brien's role decreased. After some initial hesitation he decided in the summer to transfer using the grad school exemption. This is where the story gets interesting.

    I met with Coach Martelli to inform him that I would not be returning. I had hoped he would be understanding; just a few weeks before, we had stood next to each at graduation as my parents snapped photo. Unfortunately, he did not take it well. After calling me a few choice words, he informed me that he would make some calls so that I would be dropped from my summer class and would no longer graduate. He also said that he was going to sue me. When he asked if I still planned on leaving, I was at a loss for words. He calmed down a bit and said we should think this over then meet again in a few days. I left his office angry and worried he would make me drop the classes.

    A few days later I again met with Coach Martelli. This time I stopped by athletic director Don DiJulia's office beforehand to inform him of my decision. I told him I would be applying to grad schools elsewhere. He was very nice and understanding. He wished me the best of luck and said to keep in touch. Relieved that Mr. DiJulia had taken the news well, I went to Coach Martelli's office. I told him that my mind had not changed, and that I planned on enrolling in grad school elsewhere. I recall his words vividly: "Regardless of what the rule is I'll never release you. If you're not playing basketball at St. Joe's next year, you won't be playing anywhere."

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    The administrators at UAB had experience with players joining as grad school exceptions in the past, so they were familiar with the process. To our surprise though, when Saint Joseph's turned in the requested paperwork to the NCAA about my transfer, school officials had selected "Yes" to the the question "Do you object to Todd O'Brien being eligible for competition this season?" Under the part that said "If yes, then why do you object" there was no reason.

    Confused, UAB contacted Saint Joseph's to ask why they had done this. Turns out, Coach Martelli was adamant to the athletic director that I should not be allowed to play because I had "wronged him." A few days later, St. Joe's submitted a letter saying my move to UAB was "more athletic then academically motivated." For them to say it was not academic is foolish; I did an internship in the exact area of study, and Saint Joseph's did not offer any grad degree programs pertaining to that field.

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    With no movement on Saint Joseph's end, my faith was left in the hands of a five-member NCAA committee. I pleaded my case, stating how St Joe's was acting in a vindictive manner and how the NCAA must protect its student-athletes. When it was my turn to speak, I talked about how much it would hurt to lose my final season of college basketball, not just for me but for my parents, sisters and all of my relatives who take pride in watching me play. To work so hard for something, waking up at 6 a.m. to run miles on a track, spending countless hours spent in the gym shooting, and to have it all taken away because a head coach felt disrespected that I left in order to further pursue academics? It's just not right.

    Later that day the NCAA contacted UAB to inform the school that my waiver had been denied. The rules state that I needed my release from St. Joe's, and I didn't have it. I am the first person to be denied this waiver based on a school's refusal. I was crestfallen.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by jsh on 12/19/2011 at 11:52 AM

    Todd O'Brien: St. Joe's won't give release to play at UAB - NCAA Basketball - SI.com

    When you're�seven-feet tall, you expect people to ask: While I still get this question all the time,�I'm not sure what to tell them these days. I have a basketball scholarship this season at the University of Alabama-Birmingham. I practice with the team, work out with the team, and dress with the team. But then the games start and I am pinned to the bench, ineligible to play. It's not about grades or discipline or injury. It's more simple --�and more complicated --�than that. My former school, Saint Joseph's in Philadelphia, won't sign a simple form releasing me.

    sportsillustrated.cnn.com

    jsh

  • The NCAA is the only organization that rewards douchy slicksters like Petrino and Edsall who leave their teams in the middle of the night, while punishing the innocent student athletes they claim to want to protect. Why aren't coaches forced to sit out a year or hit with a penalty if they want to go to another school?

    Coltsfan1832644

  • I'm amazed that Martelli would hold such a grudge over this. Very slim chances of anything bad happening to St. Joe's by allowing him to transfer but there's a lot of negative publicity that could occur (and now it has) by denying him the transfer.

    jsh

  • jsh said...

    I'm amazed that Martelli would hold such a grudge over this. Very slim chances of anything bad happening to St. Joe's by allowing him to transfer but there's a lot of negative publicity that could occur (and now it has) by denying him the transfer.

    Martelli comes off as a gigantic d-bag. Even if this kid turned into the second coming of Blake Griffin, it wouldn't impact St. Joe's negatively in any way. They don't recruit against UAB and don't play UAB.

    gocaps1

  • Phil Martelli is certainly in the running for the inaugural Rangoon Award.

    Chip Kelly --> NFL --> Fired --> Maryland

    Hogie

  • How on Earth could five human beings hear this case and not immediately grant the waiver? Amazing how in so many institutions that those in charge are capable of little more than blindly following rules, no matter how misplaced they are. And yes, what a POS Martelli is.

    I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right?

    Omar Little

  • I always thought Martelli looked like the cop in Scary Movie (he's been in a ton of other similar shit too) that whips out the butt plug and what not. Also from Wayne's World and a billion other things. This guy:

    This post was edited by ravensnterps on 12/19/2011 at 12:20 PM

    Kurt Fuller - IMDb

    Kurt Fuller, Actor: Midnight in Paris. Kurt Fuller is best known for his work in the films Waynes San Joaquin Valley...

    www.imdb.com

    ravensnterps

  • good luck recruiting!

    AlphaOmega said... im sorry i was confusing...your "Superbowl" was the Redskins losing since you know that the Ravens cant win it all.

    TheHugeManatee

  • Martelli was the only guy I can ever remember that made me sympathetic towards Billy Packer. On a tourney selection show someone asked Packer about St Joe's and he said that he would have had them lower. Martelli jumped on Packer and basically said that he should shut up because Packer had never been to a final four.

    edit: I looked it up, and Martelli was half joking...still, watching it live, it made PM look like ornery d__k which I thought was impossible when sharing the screen with Packer.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by PoorMike on 12/19/2011 at 12:48 PM

    PoorMike

  • Martelli does come off sounding like an ahole, and I'd make some crack about his taking off without notice (a la our own Randy) if something better came along, but I don't recall: was he mentioned for bigger openings after the Nelson/West team's success in the tournament?

    sgii

  • I know a bunch of people from philly who always act like martelli is such a nice guy. Sure doesnt seem like it

    terps32

  • The kid averaged 1 pt and 1 rebound last year. I can't understand why Martelli wouldn't let him go.

    sublimeterp

  • Wow Martelli is a gigantic POS

    GimmeTheShimmy

  • I'm going to guess there is more to this story.

    Conference realignment, SoCon style: finally, expansion rather than contraction http://wp.me/plDgR-1l0

    SandlapperSpike

  • Omar Little said...

    How on Earth could five human beings hear this case and not immediately grant the waiver?

    I'm guessing there are two sides to this story...

    And I don't understand part of this guy's explanation -- he says the NCAA denied his appeal because the school didn't grant the waiver. But if that was all it took, then why even have the NCAA hearing? I'm assuming the NCAA has the power to grant a waiver, the school's objections notwithstanding...

    This post was edited by terps99 on 12/19/2011 at 5:29 PM

    terps99

  • SandlapperSpike said...

    I'm going to guess there is more to this story.

    I'm sure there is but I'm having trouble figuring out what sort of thing O'Brien could've done that would make Martelli/SJU deny his waiver. If the kid was a punk, and I'm guessing that he is a bit of a douchebag, than common sense should've told them that sooner or later he'd go public.

    jsh

  • He was suspended for a period of time last season. Not sure why, but does not seem to be for basketball-related reasons.

    Conference realignment, SoCon style: finally, expansion rather than contraction http://wp.me/plDgR-1l0

    SandlapperSpike

  • Seth Davis is straight destroying St. Joe's and Martelli on Twitter right now. Apparently kid was involved in a lap top "incident" and Martelli went to bat for him. Still - the kid doesn't want to be there. He's covered himself by choosing a grad degree at UAB that St. Joe's doesn't offer. Let him go. Whatever happens, Martelli's already lost the PR war.

    macterp

  • Sports Illustrated probably should have noted that he had been suspended the previous year.

    Conference realignment, SoCon style: finally, expansion rather than contraction http://wp.me/plDgR-1l0

    SandlapperSpike

  • yeah, i mean Martelli is a gigantic POS for not letting him transfer, but something about the way the story was worded, the kid seemed like sort of a douche bag.

    ptownterp

  • According to the st joe's forum, the kid played Martelli by not telling him he was going to transfer until the summer (after Martelli didn't kick him out for w/e his off the court incident was), that way he could take the classes he needed to graduate while still on scholarship and not have to pay. If true he's kind of a dick, but with how much the NCAA and universities screw over the athletes all of the time, its nice to see a student try to game the system.

    This post was edited by Paulyboy50 on 12/20/2011 at 6:50 PM

    Paulyboy50

  • IF that's true, I don't blame Martelli for being pissed. There's little to no chance that guy didn't know way earlier that he was going to transfer. I can somewhat see why the NCAA would be skeptical of claims that you were transferring for academic reasons, not athletic reasons, when anyone who was truly motivated by academics would have known they were transferring colleges much sooner.

    terps99

  • terps99 said...

    IF that's true, I don't blame Martelli for being pissed. There's little to no chance that guy didn't know way earlier that he was going to transfer. I can somewhat see why the NCAA would be skeptical of claims that you were transferring for academic reasons, not athletic reasons, when anyone who was truly motivated by academics would have known they were transferring colleges much sooner.

    FWIW, the guy claims that he is willing to repay the summer classes.

    The thing is, will he really get more PT at UAB than SJU?

    Not that he's the moral compass of the world, but I think Gary would have let him leave.

    BTW, I think that when this rule was first introduced 4-5 years ago, I'm pretty sure the waiver wasn't required. You could always forgo the "residency year" or whatever they called it if your old school lobbied for you hard enough.

    PoorMike

  • not defending martelli because hes being small for not letting him go in the end...but this kid has a done a lot more than just the laptop theft....apparently he is a gigantic POS in every possible way

    5th and lehigh