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Euro 2012 thread

  • gotech06 said...

    So let's say you moved to the US from England as a young child and started playing basketball. You grow up identifying yourself as an American, marry an American, become a citizen and started balling. You have the option for playing for Team USA or Great Britain in the Olympics, which would you choose?

    Besides maybe Cacau, the rest of Germany's players consider themselves to be Germans. They never knew anything else and they didn't become Germans just so that they could play for the German team. I do think that if you played for one national team growing up, you shouldn't be able to switch but to bar immigrants from assimilating to their adoptive countries is just ignorant.

    And let me get this straight, your calling them ze nazis for not limiting their National team pool to blond haired, blue eyed players? Wtf is wrong with you. Germany has become a cultural melting pot and as such, they're citizens have taken on a much more diverse background.

    i have expressed how i feel and, if it is your intent to change my opinion, these arguments do not get the job done. i do understand your argument in all of its entirety and disagree with it. i hope this interchange has run its course at this point.

    you honestly don't understand why i call them ze nazis? wtf is wrong with you?

    ghostofobina

  • lazy said...

    Poland is the team to watch.

    Are you sure you don't like BVB more then Arsenal?

    birdieterp ●

  • I do love me some BVB, but no chance

    lazy ●

  • you honestly don't understand why i call them ze nazis? wtf is wrong with you?

    Oh i get the reference. It's just tired. And as someone who holds both German and US passports, it straight pisses me off that the term is used to reference present day Germans. It's about as relevant as coltsfan calling you a racist ass slave trader.

    And way to address any of the points.

    Oh, and the US team has 5 Germans on the team, and at least 10 other players who were either born in other countries or have parents who moved here.

    gotech06 ●

  • cathal said...

    You mean, you only agree re: the 4-2-3-1?

    Cathal,
    Yes.

    Lazy,
    Podolski getting the nod would be based on Nat Team experience and not fit with the squad or talent. I would call it a huge mistake.

    shinyman

  • shinyman said...

    Cathal, Yes.

    Lazy, Podolski getting the nod would be based on Nat Team experience and not fit with the squad or talent. I would call it a huge mistake.

    I'd argue Podolski does fit with the squad. He has the experience in big competitions and he's always produced for Germany. Not only that, but he just had a pretty damn good season for Cologne. Plus, Gotze is just now coming back from a long term injury. I'd be really surprised if Podolski doesn't start because he is kind of like Klose. He's always average to nothing special for his club, but when he puts on a German kit he is unstoppable.

    lazy ●

  • lazy said...

    I'd argue Podolski does fit with the squad. He has the experience in big competitions and he's always produced for Germany. Not only that, but he just had a pretty damn good season for Cologne. Plus, Gotze is just now coming back from a long term injury. I'd be really surprised if Podolski doesn't start because he is kind of like Klose. He's always average to nothing special for his club, but when he puts on a German kit he is unstoppable.

    To be fair, Podolski has been on form this year and has played very well for a crap team.

    gotech06 ●

  • lazy said...

    I'd argue Podolski does fit with the squad. He has the experience in big competitions and he's always produced for Germany. Not only that, but he just had a pretty damn good season for Cologne. Plus, Gotze is just now coming back from a long term injury. I'd be really surprised if Podolski doesn't start because he is kind of like Klose. He's always average to nothing special for his club, but when he puts on a German kit he is unstoppable.

    Goetze is back. He's also ridiculously good.

    I agree that if Podolski gets the nod it would be based on his National Team experience. I still think it's a mistake.

    This board seems to think that Gomez needs unbelievable service. Goetze is your man for that (as is Reus for that matter).

    This post was edited by shinyman on 5/9/2012 at 11:16 AM

    shinyman

  • gotech06 said...

    Oh i get the reference. It's just tired. And as someone who holds both German and US passports, it straight pisses me off that the term is used to reference present day Germans. It's about as relevant as coltsfan calling you a racist ass slave trader.

    And way to address any of the points.

    Oh, and the US team has 5 Germans on the team, and at least 10 other players who were either born in other countries or have parents who moved here.

    I'd normally agree with you on this (I was born in Germany, after all) ... but on Victory Day I'll give myself a one day pass. Screw ze Nazis.

    vadimivich

  • shinyman said...

    Goetze is back. He's also ridiculously good.

    I agree that if Podolski gets the nod it would be based on his National Team experience. I still think it's a mistake.

    This board seems to think that Gomez needs unbelievable service. Goetze is your man for that (as is Reus for that matter).

    Ozil is the clear #10 for Germany - I think incorporating a guy like Goetze (and Reus to a certain extent) would lead to having too many cooks in the kitchen. And you still need that line of three to track back, since Germany's game largely hinges on the counter-attack.

    When you have an embarrassment of riches like Germany does, it's more about putting the pieces of the puzzle together, not necessarily maximizing your talent. Podolski fills the same role that Kuyt does for Holland - doesn't need the ball to be effective or close into other areas of the field.

    cathal ●

  • cathal said...

    Ozil is the clear #10 for Germany - I think incorporating a guy like Goetze (and Reus to a certain extent) would lead to having too many cooks in the kitchen. And you still need that line of three to track back, since Germany's game largely hinges on the counter-attack.

    When you have an embarrassment of riches like Germany does, it's more about putting the pieces of the puzzle together, not necessarily maximizing your talent. Podolski fills the same role that Kuyt does for Holland - doesn't need the ball to be effective or close into other areas of the field.

    Agree on Ozil. How would Podolski fit better than Goetze with Ozil? I like Goetze to sneak out wide for attacking width moreso than Podolski.

    shinyman

  • He'll fit with Ozil the same way they fit in the 2010 WC when they were playing lights out and only lost to Spain in the semis. He has WC and Euro experience and just had a great season. The other players are more familiar with him. I don't know how he isn't an almost perfect fit for this team.

    This post was edited by lazy on 5/9/2012 at 5:47 PM

    lazy ●

  • lazy said...

    He'll fit with Ozil the same way they fit in the 2010 WC when they were playing lights out and only lost to Spain in the semis. He has WC and Euro experience and just had a great season. The other players are more familiar with him. I don't know how he isn't an almost perfect fit for this team.

    He did have an excellent season and is several years older than the Reus or Goetze. I just don't know how you don't put Ozil, Goetze and Reus on the field to start your matches. Those are three of the best offense oriented MFs in the world. I wouldn't put Podolski in that category.

    shinyman

  • Just because all 3 of them are great doens't mean they'll all work well together. Reus and Gotze have a combined 16 starts between them. Podolski has 95. Go with experience and the player who is more familiar with the team.

    lazy ●

  • Radamel Falcao is a GOD

    Terpito

  • Seriously, we just watched Barcelona "under-achieve" this year because they tried to put their most talented guys on the field at once. Go with what works.

    cathal ●

  • cathal said...

    Seriously, we just watched Barcelona "under-achieve" this year because they tried to put their most talented guys on the field at once. Go with what works.

    Also, see England circa every year in recent memory

    gsterp

  • Speaking of England...

    Roy Hodgson has informed Peter Crouch he won't be needed for Euro 2012. Same for Micah Richards...and Rio Ferdinand.

    I can understand not taking Ferninand, to be honest, but how can you then take John Terry?

    Euro 2012: Rio Ferdinand dropped from England squad | Football | The Guardian

    Roy Hodgson has told Manchester United's Rio Ferdinand that he will not be in the England squad for Euro 2012

    www.guardian.co.uk

    Conference realignment, SoCon style: some actual news (Mercer, ETSU, and VMI?) and a little speculation http://wp.me/plDgR-1jv

    SandlapperSpike

  • england's so fuckin dumb, and i actually like them.

    they literally have no chance of winning this tournament so why not just go with a youth movement? the gerrard/lampard generation has gotten you absolutely nowhere anyway, why keep torturing yourself?

    keep some of the mid 20's guys and fill out the squad with a bunch of 19-22 year olds. why the hell not...

    hart/walker/richards/smalling/jones/cahill/gibbs/bertrand/walcott/AO-C/johnson/cleverley/rodwell/young/rooney/welbeck/sturridge

    need a couple more central mids. not sure who they have coming up. henderson, mabey? ross barkley? tell wenger to fuck himself and take wilshere??

    this is how i'd go about it. they'd probably finish dead last, but at least they'd have a built in excuse(apart from having hodgson as manager)---youth, and that youth would have some good major tournament experience to build on. win.

    hectorjones

  • Wilshere is still injured fwiw

    lazy ●

  • hectorjones said...

    england's so fuckin dumb, and i actually like them.

    they literally have no chance of winning this tournament so why not just go with a youth movement? the gerrard/lampard generation has gotten you absolutely nowhere anyway, why keep torturing yourself?

    keep some of the mid 20's guys and fill out the squad with a bunch of 19-22 year olds. why the hell not...

    hart/walker/richards/smalling/jones/cahill/gibbs/bertrand/walcott/AO-C/johnson/cleverley/rodwell/young/rooney/welbeck/sturridge

    need a couple more central mids. not sure who they have coming up. henderson, mabey? ross barkley? tell wenger to fuck himself and take wilshere??

    this is how i'd go about it. they'd probably finish dead last, but at least they'd have a built in excuse(apart from having hodgson as manager)---youth, and that youth would have some good major tournament experience to build on. win.

    Well you can scratch Kyle Walker off the list now too, out with a busted toe.

    Soundsnice

  • lazy said...

    Wilshere is still injured fwiw

    i hope that kid can get healthy and stay that way. world class talent. arsenal's my EPL darkhorse for next season, but wilshere is a large part of the equation.

    sign vertonghen and m'vila to go with podolski, keep everyone relatively healthy, particularly on defense, and they can win the league...i should add that i don't expect van persie to leave.

    hectorjones

  • wow. that sucks for them.

    did hodgson already turn in some form of team sheet without micah richards? if so, is it binding? would suck to go to the tournament with just glenn johnson at RB. although i guess they could just stick phil jones there if needed like SAF kept trying.

    hectorjones

  • Loving the reaction to the England squad. You'd think Carrick is fucking Xavi the way these people talk.

    PaulUMD ●

  • I know they may not have many options, but LOL at Downing getting called in.

    Also, am I the only one who thinks Phil Jones is a giant turd?

    lazy ●

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