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not according to Baldwin........apparently fingering a girl who is passed out is below his threshold for rape. I can't believe someone believes that, and then actually is stupid enough to write it on a messageboard. I rarely get angry reading stupid posts on here...but holy shit.
If you read my entire post, with the varying levels of sexual assaults, from boyfriends getting head from their slightly younger girlfriends to forcing sexual intercourse on someone, it's wrong to lump them all together under a single term. It wrongfully hurts those that have committed the most minor of offenses and diminishes what happened to victims of the most heinous of offensives. We need to add a threat level or come up with additional terms or something.
I've felt this way a long time, coincidentally because of a football player who was jailed for 2 years when his girlfriend blew him at a party. But there isn't a search query possible that will let me find that case vs the Steubenville one.
This post was edited by Baldwin 13 months ago
Fingering a passed out girl isn't minor at all. Its virtually the same as having sex with a passed out girl.
"Maryland football: Where everybody gets hurt and the starting left tackle has an existential crisis."
It's not minor at all. My point is far bigger than just this case.
[Baldwin]Depends how she was dressed. [\Baldwin]
classlessthug: I have too much on my plate to worry about the fact that my junk intimidates some needle D undergrad.
you said that its not rape, therefore not the same as having sex with a passed out girl
So when I was a teenager fingerbanging Mary Jane Rottencrotch I was actually having sex?
That's why there's statutory rape (your first example) and rape (this case). Which are different crimes and are treated differently.
Fingering a sober, consenting girl is not the same as having sex with a sober, consenting girl.
Fingering a passed out girl is virtually the same as having sex with a passed out girl. They're both similarly traumatizing and aggressive.
This post was edited by JDawgBBall9 13 months ago
It's not the same. Having sex with her would have been slightly worse and they probably would have gotten a slightly harsher punishment. Doesn't make what they did anything close to being a minor crime. And like I said, if I was in charge of creating the scale of which all sexual assaults are ranked, what they did in addition to the sexual assault would put it on the same level or maybe a level higher than someone who simply had sex with a passed out girl.
I highly doubt you would differentiate if if had been your wife/sister/daughter that was the victim.
So these kids arent rapists and george zimmerman acted in self-defense...all i know is i want baldwin on my jury!
While I kind of see where Baldwin is going this is a very slippery slope he is trying to negotiate. I have to agree that fingering a passed out girl is less of a crime than the famous pool table incident where the woman was held down as guys took turns banging away. With that said no way do I agree that this incident falls below the line.
We're arguing a label here against varying levels of crimes. Under no circumstances do I believe that these kids didn't do something horrible and deserve to be punished.
I just think they should be labeled 2nd degree rapists or something as to avoid confusion with the guys that screwed up Jodie Foster.
These poor rapists.
By doing that you also tell the person who was raped, "Yeah you said no and he did it anyway but come on it wasn't THAT bad at least he didn't REALLY rape you."
I understand your point but I agree with the current definition (by the FBI) that the act of rape is about the lack of consent and not the object by which the act was committed. What if it was a metal rod instead of a penis or digits? For a girl, the trauma may very well be all the same. So in my view, we don't need to lessen the degree by which these guys are categorized...their intent and crime are the same regardless of instrument.
This post was edited by TerpPride 13 months ago
On the flip side, aren't you telling people who were held down and raped that what happened to them was as bad as someone who was passed out and fingered?
No, i'm sure it's not a pissing contest for the victims.
You make a compelling argument. Getting into diameter vs length vs volume isn't something this hypothetical committee is interested in doing.
I'd offer Baldwin a shovel but he's really not having any problems digging himself any deeper.
No...intent and crime aren't the same regardless of instrument.
I don't think that Baldwin is remotely excusing the disgustingness of these fuck nuts who should be hanged by their nutsacks, but there's a clear difference between what these fuck knuckles did - their intent was clearly more to humiliate this girl than it was any sort of sexual in my opinion (I haven't read the full details of the case, just basing it on what I'm reading in this thread)
Again - no one here is remotely saying that any of this is OK. Just that there is a difference between a rapist who rapes because he gets sexual pleasure out of "power" vs. the intent to humiliate a girl to the worst possible degree. IMO.
This post was edited by ravensnterps 13 months ago
No. If you've been a victim of rape you've been violated in such a way you really aren't going to compare severity and scenarios with other victims. There's an understanding that the situation was both the same and very different for each victim but I don't think there is a comparison of "well I had it worse than you!" It's more of an oh god, I'm sorry that happened to you to but we are not alone.
What this guy said.
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