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Hey, I'm not one of the guys touting Fletcher, that's absurd. Just saying that players can be really really stupid.
What? Lewis is clearly in the top 3 and its a matter of preference between those 3.
I mean yeah, but the fact that he made such an impression on the men who had to play against him that they still regarded him as a top 5 player when he was well past his prime is pretty impressive.
omg were people really trying to argue that London fucking Fletcher is better than Ray?
But hes had more tackles!!1
I like London a lot and have a ton of respect for the man, but come the fuck on.
Please explain why you are laughing at this comment.
"It's just so hard," Greivis said. "It's my heart, my love. Maryland made me who I am."
I don't think there is any question that Ray Lewis is the absolute best "inside LB" in a 3/4 defense ever. Dick Butkus, in my mind, was the best MLB in a 4/3 and Lawrence Taylor was the best OLB regardless of what front was played.
Butkus was 6'3" and he could have dominated in any era, and had he played in the modern era with modern treatment of his knees rather than what passed for orthopedic medicine in the 60's, he would have been the GOAT. But he didn't. He played with a savagery that few players possess. And LT probably gets my vote for greatest defensive player of all time. There has never been a DB or Dlineman who could have the impact that a LB has in a game IMHO so it's LT for me with Ray as a 1a and Butkus a tad behind each of those guys. But Butkus was a bad ass make no mistake about that.
I have given the London Fletcher arguments the attention that they deserve (that is to say, almost none), but I did notice this tidbit from Aaron Wilson's story with respect to the tackle statistic:
"In terms of longevity, 13 Pro Bowl selections and the production of 2,643 tackles, 31 interceptions and 41.5 sacks, Lewis' production trumps the luminaries from past eras of football.
Lewis is the NFL's active career leader for tackles ahead of London Fletcher, who has 2,361 tackles while playing a dozen more games than the Ravens veteran."
Fewer tackles in more games. Fewer honors and awards. Less respect from his peers. Equal number of championship rings (and significantly less lasting impact on his championship team). What am I missing here?
The news of Ravens legendary middle linebacker Ray Lewis' upcoming retirement triggered plenty of reactions around the league.
In my opinion Ray Lewis is best inside LB in NFL history and should be in HOF 1st ballot.
It is not easing getting into Canton, but I think London Fletcher should get some mention due to his level of play and longevity.
According to link only 23 linebackers in HOF. If Sam Mills not in, London Fletcher does not go.
The Pro Football Hall of Fame’s website, Profootballhof.com has the most complete history on the NFL found on the web.
LOL, ESPN showed the clip of Ray saying "I'm a machine, jerk" and bleeped out "jerk."
You're neighbors with Will Bowers?
This post was edited by charmcity3131 18 months ago
I couldn't agree more with those bringing up that Cleveland game at night (I think it was 2002 and that's why he didn't make the Pro Bowl that year). He injured his shoulder diving for a fumble in that game but I have never seen a player have such a dominating season or performance in a single game like that. He was just everywhere. I often think back and wonder just how good he may have been if he didn't injure that shoulder, which bothered him off and on the rest of his career.
As for London Fletcher, I will throw Skins fans a bone and admit that he is undervalued. He should get more love, and I think he deserves at least a glance when it comes to the Hall of Fame. But please don't compare him to Ray Lewis. Statistics, awards and advanced metrics show it's not even comparable. And Eddie George wasn't laying awake in his bed at night terrified of Fletcher. Lewis was absolutely dominant whereas Fletcher never was the best player on the field.
So people downvoted this and they really think vasquez is Ray Lewis? Are you fucking stupid?
You fucking idiot he isn't Ray Lewis end of story.
This post was edited by RD52 18 months ago
Ray Lewis has joined ESPN, Monday Night Countdown.
ESPN is on the verge of adding Ray Lewis to its talent lineup.
Wow, surprised it took that long...
How do we know GV isn't Ray Lewis? Has anyone here ever seen both of them together???
Ray was probably at his best in the 4/3. With 2 big DTs in front of him he was literally free to run everywhere.
LOL. Thank you for explaining to me how I should love players on my teams.
This is pretty much the least surprising news ever. They probably already had the basic parameters of this worked out a few years ago. Schedule-wise, it works perfectly for him and he still gets to stroke his ego in front of the cameras.
I know Deion said yesterday that he still thinks Ray might change his mind come training camp, but that's not happening. He's made it clear several times that once he is gone, he is gone and not coming back. No Favre drama from him. He also made it quite clear that this isn't about not wanting to play football anymore, but that it's about being there for his family and being the father to his kids that his dad wasn't for him. This has very little to do with football. The guy still loves the game and can still be at least average at the position for another couple of years.
Yea, it's close though. The initial talk when we switched to the 3-4 was that it would hurt him. He definitely had an adjustment year but he also had one of his best years in it. Tough call. That said, it didn't matter what system he played in. In my opinion, it really didn't matter what position he played either. He wouldn't have been as good of a 3-4 OLB as a MLB but I gaurantee you he'd have been at least a pro bowl caliber pass rusher (Lance Briggs caliber) if that was the role they wanted him to take on.
Ray was dominating in 2002 pre-injury too
That isn't the point.
Colfax probably cares more about GV than you could ever care about Ray Lewis (unless you've created a DVD with all of his games, highlights, etc) for him. So GV leaving was obviously a bigger deal to him than this is to you.
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