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2006 team was the best Ravens team ever. Still so mad over that Colts loss.
Mount Rushmore of Baltimore sports:
Football Outsiders also rates the best Ravens defenses as:
2008, 2003, 2000
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There are other stats on that site that argue against Fletcher. He had the worst pass tackle stop rate in the NFL in 2010 and in some years his yards against on tackles is a full yard behind Lewis.
It was pretty fun in 2008 when Ed Reed decided he'd be scoring a touchdown in just about every game down the stretch.
Well, OK, "only" two TDs (or maybe three), but he had 2 INTs in each of four games in the second half of the season, five games if you include the playoffs, where he added another TD. Against the Redskins he had two picks and returned a fumble (which I believe he forced himself) for a TD. What a GOD.
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Even Steelers fans think is dumb trolling.
I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right?
I'm just trying to figure out which side of the fence will get PMs from viper
I'm not going to say it's THE best, but if Phelps is definitely on there as the fourth guy, that's got to be on the Mount Rushmore of American sports city Mount Rushmores.
I don't think it's dumb trolling, it's just not really knowing much about sports. There's no baseline knowledge test to be able to share one's opinion on the internet.
i feel for you Ravens fans. it really sucks when a guy like this retires. but at least he is doing it in a Ravens jersey.
and like Tony said on PTI...when August rolls around you just never know.
What a joke. I'm sure this has been covered to death already, but there are some things that just can't be measured by statistics.
This is not meant as a knock on London Fletcher at all
The 2000 Ravens played games against the following QB's: Akili Smith, Kent Graham, Scott Mitchell, Spergeon Wynn, Tim Couch, Ryan Leaf, and Kordell Stewart. . As for Qb's with a pulse (I am using that term liberally), they faced McNair twice, Brunell twice, Jay Fiedler(!), Vinny(!), Jake Plummer(!), Brad Johnson and last but not least Troy Aikman in the last year of his career.
Why are we talking about London Fletcher? He's never been a top player in the league. It's like comparing James Farrior to Ray Ray.
Just an unreal easy schedule that year. Thank god, too.
Go back and look at the players on that 2000 team. Go back and watch the way they played. Then tell me the 2006 D was better.
Just for shits and grins looked at the box score from the Festivus game against the Ryan Leaf-lead Chargers.
Leaf's line: 9/23 78 yards and a interception in a 23-3 loss. His long was 19 yards, meaning without that he was 8/22 for 59 yards. That's just unreal.
I have and I will. We've been fortunate enough to have 4 legit great defenses...2000, 2003, 2006, and 2008. 2006 was the most exciting and dominant IMO. 2000 was physical as hell but really benefited from schedule more than the other 3. No one is knocking their accomplishments or forgetting how dominant they were. Just saying, they didn't exactly face murderer's row and despite reputation you could certainly make the argument that any of 2003, 2006, or 2008 were as good or better than the 2000 version.
London Fletcher is to linebacking what Derrick Mason was to wide receiving. Very very good at what they do; not in the HOF discussion.
Good analogy. And never at the top of their positions. Ray might be the greatest defender ever.
What about that is trolling? It's pretty much accurate.
How is it possible that the Skins-Ravens playing a game every four years ruins half the board nfl discussions?
The NFC and AFC could split apart and cause the two teams to never play again, and it still wouldn't change the discussions.
eamhokie94: Is your name Nazi in pig Latin?
I'm convinced by JManslow's argument. All the talk from coaches and players who revere Ray as perhaps the best ever have no idea what they're talking about.
Wow. I mean I guess you can argue that the 2008 Ravens defense was as good as the 2000 Ravens defense if you want, thats your right as an American. Doesn't make it any less foolish though
While I think you can make an argument for Ray being the best, saying because other players say so is a bad argument. Those same players said Ray Lewis was the 4th best player in the league going into the 2011 season. They're not always rational about their peers.
That should speak to Ray's legacy though. The same guys played and coached against London Fletcher. Where did he turn up on the list?
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