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I'd bet the US doesn't make the WC final in my lifetime (I'm in my early 30s).
4.2 million watched the CL finals.
Yes, you're right. Been looking at too many ratings over the past 30 minutes, I mixed up two of them. Still.... 4.2 million is pretty big. And doesn't change the point I was making.
Game 7 of last years stanley cup finals was viewed by 8.5 million viewers.
I will never purchase a jersey to watch a team from another country if I am not in that country. I will never buy my kid a jersey to a team from another country.
IF the CL final was between two turd teams from Europe what do you think the rating in the U.S would be??
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by jgdomino 22 months ago
Pic Sigs are for losers.
Maybe not, but I hope you're wrong.
I'm not sure what point you're making for either of those statements.
Soccer is like every other sport. When Tiger plays golf, ratings are higher. When San Antonio and Detroit are in the NBA Finals, the ratings are lower than when Kobe Bryant and the Lakers are in the finals against LeBron. The Yankees have higher ratings than the Milwaukee Brewers. When LA Galaxy play, MLS ratings are higher. Etc..... And by the way, these two teams are not nearly the biggest ratings gainers. Barcelona, Real Madrid and Manchester United are three biggies.
As for the jersey, you can buy US Men's National Team or DC United jersey's just fine. Many people do. That's mostly what I have as well.
wow that really is a horrible stat for hockey. 8.5 for a game 7 vs. the CL final of 4(does that include spanish tv?)
and fwiw i see a lot more soccer jerseys during the day than hockey but a lot of that is probably because hockey jerseys suck to wear.
I love soccer and am a major proponent of it making huge strides in the United States, mainly because there's not only a domestic effort to promote the sport but because internationally clubs are realizing that making inroads to the U.S. is good for revenue. However, those trying to catapault it into the "big 4" or whatever at the expense of baseball are misguided. Hockey is pretty clearly the sport most on the precipice in the U.S. and frankly soccer is a lot closer than many of the soccer haters realize. MLB has been quite shrewd in cultivating it's fanbase and moving forward into the future, they'll only continue to grow in popularity. MLS has been smart in much of their recent operation, but it is going to be a much more gradual growth in interest in MLS.
For one, they are completely ignoring certain regions of the country and mysteriously expanding into Canada as opposed to trying to break into new markets specifically down south. The idea of bringing aging European stars has been mixed, while Beckham and Henry have been fairly successful many of the names being brought in are only recognizable to the soccer fans who are already solidly supporting MLS in some capacity. The best way to appeal to the casual fan is to better the national team through developing players domestically and unfortunately MLS teams are built to win with little emphasis on development.
This thread is like one of those horrible 1990s movies where the script tries to predict the future in 2015 and the setting inevitably contains flying cars, robots, teleportation, etc.
It's 25 freakin' years. The likely scenario is the landscape won't look much different. The NFL will still be far and away the #1 sport, the NBA may firmly entrench itself at #2, baseball will be #3, and there will be a wide gap with hockey at #4. That's it. That's you're next 25 years. As much as I love it, soccer is/will be a niche sport here for a long time.
I'm perplexed at the notion of the NFL falling off. If anything, the gap is heavily widening between it and every other sport right now. The chances of the NFL not being the #1 US sport in 25 years are 0%. Literally 0%. I also think it's poised to do a lot better from a global standpoint.
And what if the CL final was Man U-Real Madrid, what do you think the rating would be? That's just a dumb argument.
Also last night's Stanley Cup final game got less than 3M viewers. I'm not a hockey basher (I enjoy the caps playoff run every year even though they ultimately dissapoint), but it really doesn't have a large portion of the sports market at all. If you combine those that follow the UCL, EPL. MLS, Mexican leagues etc you likely get larger support than hockey gets.
Go away, KA!
Last nights NHL game peaked at 3.5 million. If you guys are going to keep throwing numbers around at least get them right.
I stand corrected, didn't check the 10:30 half hour number.
And let's not forget that it happened to go head to head with the most watched NBA playoff game in cable history. The bottom line for me is that when we're talking about popularity in this country, the fact that a regular season MLS game can get less than 100,000 viewers says soccer has a long way to go.
Point was You will never have two american soccer teams in a game that big. So the rating will be maxed out at those who want to follow a pro team in another country.
I don't like soccer clearly. But I watch the U.S in the world cup and any international games out of pride for the country. I'll still never buy a jersey.
I'm a soccer fan that basically never watches MLS. I think there are a lot of others out there like me, so if you are just going by MLS numbers I think you are going to leave out a lot of soccer fans in this country. But your point is correct, MLS itself cannot compare to the current "Big 4." Not even close.
that max is growing year to year. how many years has the CL final been on network tv? 2? 3? it has a lot of room to grow.
its probably more acurate to say we'll have the big 3 in 25 years alont with the little 2.
Well that wasn't 2 American hockey teams playing against each other either, so if we are including numbers like that then we might as well include world cup and other international soccer numbers as well.
Yes, unfortunately MLS is less popular than Europe, MFL, etc.... And it does have a long way to go. The ratings on FSC were very low but a lot of that has to do with the popularity of the channel and that it's not in very many households. Ratings have been much better since the move to NBC Sports this year. I know the first game was below 100k but I think they've been over since then. The NHL has games like that also with not much more viewership. Again, MLS is only one piece of soccer in the US, whereas NHL is just about the entire picture for hockey.
Something that no one has mentioned is the role of video games in spreading soccer's popularity. There weren't many big soccer fans on my floor Freshman year until someone started a FIFA League (which grew to about 20 teams and a full on fantasy draft for each team). Then, about 10 guys or so would get up on Sunday mornings to watch EPL games in the lounge on the TV which some kid hooked his laptop up to.
Not saying it's a huge difference, but FIFA definitely created quite a few new soccer fans
FWIW, there are a lot of places in the world where the domestic soccer league is unwatchable but soccer is still by far the most popular sport. I lived in the UAE, and outside of 2 bigger clubs, average attendance was probably below 2000, but on TV it dominated. Everyone followed every major European domestic league, the UEFA Champions League, the AFC Champions League, the Saudi league, and whatever else was on.
Similar is true for a lot of Asia - the English domestic league is extremely popular. Like I said before, I'm a casual fan at best, but I've been to a lot of places where they're crazy about soccer despite poor domestic leagues.
The US is in a unique situation, and there are time zone issues, but people will watch what's on TV if it's quality competition.
Also FWIW, average MLS attendance is apparently above 17,000. It's not baseball's 30,000+ x 162, but it's nothing to sneeze at.
Just in keeping with the talk about the MLS:
I consider myself to be a big sports fan. I'm aware of just about every major sporting event in the US. I watch parts or all of the major team championship playoffs (MLB, NHL, NBA, NFL), I watch the majors in tennis and golf, and I watch most big international events (Olympics, World Cup, Euro championship, some World hockey stuff if I can). And even though I don't watch much, I'm aware of the EPL standings and the Champions league. I even follow some Aussie Rules Football and some rugby (love watching the State of Origin games).
So I have at least passing knowledge of basically any sport that's on the radar, and some that are off it, and I don't have the slightest idea how many teams even play in MLS. I know about the United, the NY team, the Galaxy, and that it's big in the Pacific Northwest. That's it.
There is no way a league that can't even crack my radar is going to become anything other than a curiosity in the next 25 years.
this...for example, they love soccer in Ireland, and I am not sure what there league turned into...
The leagues in Central America are garbage, but they all watch the Spanish league there...
But, in 25 years, 50 years, 100 years, etc....soccer will never be a top sport in the US...it is not in our culture...
Americans love contact sports, and always will despite the attempted pussification of america where everyone must win or get to play...
Football is not going anywhere...
People hate on hockey, but the casual hockey fan is not going to watch soccer due to the "acting" that happens in that sport...
I always look at countries such as Australia with a shared personality like the US...rugby (league) and Australian rules football is more popular and attended due to the contact...they have pumped money into their domestic soccer league, but it is nothing...
The rugby fans i know from Australia see soccer as some type of girl sport played by people who are not real men...if they were real men, they would be playing contact sports...
So that mindset, which is similar to the US way of thinking will keep their sports way ahead of soccer despite the influx of immigrants...
Jackie Robinson isn't dirty. This isn't Pack Pride.
just think of how much success D.C United has had and how much Success the Caps have had.. One has one multiple titles the other has made the playoffs a few times, yet one has tons of bandwagon fans and the other people don't even know they exist. As they say ROCK THE RED..
Whoever keeps quoting attendance for MLS please explain to me how 18k Once a week is impressive. If baseball, or hockey were played once a week you would have huge attendance numbers across the board. 18 K once a week usually on a weekend is not impressive.
You (and bkmalik) should be careful extracting market research with a sample size of 1 to make broad conclusions.
And, FWIW, soccer has grown massively in Australia since they moved from the Oceanian federation to the Asian one.
Personally, my views on different sports are closer to bkmalik's and your stereotypical Australian. I play rugby and get up in the middle of the night in Europe to watch NFL, NBA, and Duke games, and I pretty much only watch major soccer games in bars for the group experience.
However, it seems I'm not the majority. There are strong trends in the US that don't include me.
Soccer has some things going for it that have made it popular everywhere else in the world, including outside of its natural areas.
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