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I know this isn't new news and it isn't Redskins, Ravens or whatever else but interesting nonetheless. I'm sure by 2015 when sanctions come down it'll be "major" (they'll lose 3 scholarships and be banned from postseason play in 2017).
Anyway - assuming that something more severe happens...Hogie hypothetical...
Would you take the last 5 years of Oregon football for Maryland if it meant for sure we'd be getting the hammer from the NCAA?
Documents released by the University of Oregon show the school and the NCAA agree major violations were committed by the football program, The Oregonian and Portland, Ore., television station KATU reported Monday.
I doubt they get the "hammer". The NCAA needs to tread carefully with Oregon or they might piss off Nike. Besides, the NCAA did basically nothing to UNC who had a runner on staff, fake classes, changed grades and a essentially a fake major.
Gee, i wonder if this had anything to do with chip kelly taking the eagles job?
I'd like the team that I cheer for to have a five year run like that some time. I doubt they seriously get the "hammer". Although, they'll probably have a minor downturn in their program just from losing Chip Kelly. But, they won't get a television ban or anything, so it's not like they'll be forgotten about just because they won't be able to play in a bowl game.
College football is so broken it isn't even funny. Don't think we aren't part of it either.
Of course we are
But, but, but...Awwburn cheated!!
Of course Chip Kelly will probably get no sanctions from the NCAA, their AD probably will keep his job despite him being Kelly and the program's supervisor, and the only people punished will be the athletes who had nothing to do with it.
How about instead of taking action against future athletes you sanction the HC* and the AD?
*Obviously Kelly can't really be touched at this point in time but if he fails in the NFL he'll be right back in college.
We just aren't that good at it.
I don't know what you mean, but it had the cadence of a joke.
Coaching bans should be added to the punishment. They shouldn't get rid of the regular sanctions, but banning a guy for 5 years or something should do the trick to at least scare some people.
agreed on the coaching bans. Obviously Kelly won't have to worry about this for a few years but there should be a penalty should he decide he wanted to come back to college to coach.
Serious question: outside of the moral reasons, what practical reason is there for a big-name/moderate-name football school NOT to cheat as much as possible?
The penalties are hilariously slight for even serious infractions. And it's been made clear that the worst possible thing you could do in the history of sports, at Penn State, won't even get you off TV.
Why not cheat? The sanctions are nowhere near as bad as the potential upside.
"And I try to har-mo-nize with songs the lonesome sparrow sings...
There are no kings inside the Gates of Eden."
That's the exact problem and the point of my hypothetical. You're absolutely right. That's also why everyone does cheat. Let's not act like Maryland doesn't.
Yeah, at Maryland!
We don't hire guys like him.
Wow, I never even thought of that possibility
Yeah, and were he to come here, THAT'S when the NCAA would penalize the coach and not the school.
Call me a relic, call me what you will,
Say I'm old-fashioned, say I'm over the hill....
I love that the NCAA claims no intentional violations, unethical conduct, or lack of institutional control. Willie Lyles himself told Yahoo that Oregon made him send a bill for "scouting services" after the fact, and it was so hastily arranged that it had players on it who had left high school the year before. Even if the NCAA can't prove that he steered LaMichael James and others to Oregon, wouldn't that retroactive bill to Lyles once they figured out they were being investigated fit the bill as "unethical conduct"?
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