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I tend to agree with you here but Bennett is a bit of a headcase as well but if I had to choose I would go with Bennett if for no other reason that he plays harder, is younger and already as good as Porter.
9/21/2010...RIP Old IMS.
Porter is younger. And Porter has a great motor
Surprised at all the people on here who really like Porter or Bennett. I don't particularly like either of those guys. I saw a lot more of Porter than Bennett. I just remember Bennett looking awful in the NCAA tournament. Porter does a lot of things but nothing great. Guys like that terrify me. I like guys like Oladipo because I know they are bringing at least one elite skill to the table. No matter what, he will be a good defensive player in the league. McLemore is a wild card. Could be awesome, could be a total bust. Reminds me a little bit of what I thought of Harrison Barnes when he came out last year, and he's turned out well so far.
Wasn't Bennett playing hurt late in the year? He did have shoulder surgery, right? Unless Porter is a non-athlete I don't see how his skills don't translate to the NBA.
Dan Steinberg @dcsportsbog 5m Grunfeld: "I think it’s a three-player draft. But I won’t tell you who that third player is.” http://wapo.st/11bXHfZ (via @BulletsForever)
The Wizards should get Grunfeld's opinion on the pick and then do the opposite. I can't believe he's still employed.
I guess my concern is he trades the pick in order to make the playoffs. The playoffs shouldn't be a goal. It should be to be a contender not the 7 seed in the East. That gets you nothing except more job security for an incompetent GM.
The same people bashing Porter here are probably some of the same people blowing him after the Cuse game. He will be a good to great pro player. He's 6'9 and long with a great mid range game that stretches out to the 3 point line. Hes just tge in player to hate on this board because one guy said so. 286 probably only watched 1 or 2 games of GU all year and hes suddenly an expert lol.
Wall: 6-2.75, 6-4, 6-9.25 (39)
Beal: 6-3.25, 6-4.75, 6-8, (39)
Oladipo 6-3.25, 6-4.25, 6-9.25 (42)
So by drafting Oladipo, our three best players will be guards. So I guess everyone who are Oladipo fans want us to sign frontcourt free agents forever.
Porter:6-7.5, 6.8.5, 7-1.5 (36) Porters measurables are extremely good for a small forward. (no shoes, shoes, wingspan, max vertical)
I'll be shocked if he lasts through the 1st round.
I think this is a common misconception. Yes, its hard to play small for big stretches but there are a lot of successful examples of teams playing small in the 4th quarter.
Porter is the right pick, he's got an NBA body already, and I think he'll be a better pro. Its not his fault that JTIII runs that stupid offense.
Oladipo is great, but you can't put him on the floor with both Wall and Beal, so what are you going to do with him?
I'm convinced that Big Ern is gonna fuck this up somehow. Either by trading the pick for someone like Gerald Wallace (Win now!) or drafting some goober like Gobert (his 3 man draft comment has me convinced he has already made up his mind, before he even knew where he was picking, ala Vesely).
It is the business walk of the biggest, baddest bear in the national park happening upon an abandoned picnic.
I'd certainly entertain offers, but I sure as hell don't want Cousins.
If we could get something useful along with it, I'd almost be tempted to drop way down and take Muhammad. He was way overrated and is entirely the wrong body type to do the sort of things he does but he strikes me as the sort of guy who'll always figure out a way to score a little. He strikes me as the one guy who'll figure out to stay in the league for a while, even if not in any sort of primary role.
Porter probably is the right #3 pick, but I just don't see him as being anything other than a good attitude role player. You can pick up FAs who do that on the cheap without blowing the value of a #3. But then I don't think Noel will do much either.
Chances are someone will surprise and be decent, but Ernie sure as hell isn't going to find him.
Point 2 - Muhammad is the worst player in the draft. His me first attitude will be a cancer in the locker room. After the Washington game (when his teammate made the game winning shot but instead of celebrating with his teammates, he just walked off the court because it wasn't him that made the shot) he turned me off. I'm glad we didn't stay at 8 and had him as an option.
Point 3 - Porter is the correct pick. I can understand why alot of people will not be excited about this pick, but it is what it is. As I mentioned earlier, this is not the 2014 draft. We have to draft the best player available and Porter has no holes in his game and have great measurables for a SF.
Point 1 (saved this for last). To be brief, you trade the 3rd pick to Sacramento not to get Cousins, but to get the 7th pick which could be Alex Len. Cousins coming here would be an extra benefit to see if he can work out here. If he does, it's a steal. If he doesn't, you still have Len who could be the best player to turn out in this draft. (Of course if Len gets picked 4th, 5th or 6th which some mock drafts have projected, you can consider Bennett or Oladipo who could slide down to 7th). For those people who are not thrilled with Porter, this is probably the best option.
There is no way Oladipo slides out of the top five. Looks like there is a lot of buzz already on this guy.
From Chad Ford:
But I'm telling everyone that will listen -- Oladipo is the guy that GMs love in this draft. May be the only one. I've talked to 14 or 15 who tell me he's their favorite player. Almost zero downside and still significant upside. Not sure he's a fit in Cleveland or Washington -- but Orlando and Phoenix both look like strong fits.
The question for me is how much higher do you have Porter on your draft board than the other 1-7 options (pretty sure we're seeing a top 7 of Noel, Burke, Porter, McLemore, Olidipo, Len, Bennett)? Burke is not on our radar and you have to think the Suns, Pelicans, and Kings would love to trade up to get him at 3 if he gets by the Magic. Here are trade downs IMO if Burke doesn't go 2:
Suns - Noel goes 1, Magic take McLemore 2. Suns probably sit still knowing they can get Burke 5 with the Wiz and Cats drafitng ahead, but you definitely take calls from the Pelicans and Kings and make the Suns offer you something worth your time for them to move up and take the top PG. The Cats go Olidipo or Bennett now, and you take Porter 5 + Suns offer.
Pelicans - Noel goes 1, Magic take McLemore 2. Pelicans know the Suns go Burke 5 and get desperate to pair the top PG with Davis and co. Cats go Olidipo or Bennett, Suns prob go Porter, and Wiz take Olidipo, Bennett, or Len + Pelicans offer.
Kings - Same scenario, Kings get desperate for Burke. Wiz take a Kings haul (Cousins?) and the draft goes: (1) Noel, (2) McLemore, (3) Burke, (4) Olidipo/Bennett, (5) Porter, (6) Len, and the Wiz take Olidipo/Bennett, Zeller, Muhammad, McCollum, whomever.
Actually, I could buy the last point. I see Porter as guaranteed mediocrity, so if you philosophically decide to take a crap shoot at #7 and take a crap shoot on Cousins (assuming he doesn't somehow poison Wall) then at least there's a couple of shots at some upside potential.
It's not really worth the consternation, though, since whatever turns out to be the right choice won't be the one Ernie will end up making. I'm so totally soured on the guy every time I think of Vesely over Faried/Leonard and Miller/Foye over Curry. But maybe the euro guard we've got stashed away will surprise everyone, and things will start falling into place. I don't think so, though.
This is why I want to draft Porter. He could turn out to be mediocre, but he won't turn out to be a bad player like Vesely. Plus EG trading the 3rd overall pick for anything scares the hell out of me.
But at some point you've got to take some risk.
We've got two potentially decent young commodities and not much else other than a competent, aging and historically fragile center who might have some trade value. You can't just keep stockpiling the bench with Bookers and Singletons and hope somewhere along the line you pick up gold in an undervalued FA or 2d rounder.
Wall and Beal have potential, and we're going to have to wildly overpay Wall if we want to keep him. We need much more to have a shot at being decent. And I agree with sublimeterp above: I'm not with the folks who will be thrilled to scratch at the last playoff spot for a few years and get throttled in the first round. We never stood a chance even in the Arenas/Jameson years when so many people were head-over-heels about that team. That does nothing for me.
That's why I'd rather trade down to get a couple of powerball tickets and shuffle around some worthless bodies if we have to, as long as we don't pick up any long-term albatross contract in the process.
Also, given the team's focus on the playoffs next year, the odds are they will miss the lottery (or be really low) and thus miss the real blue chips next year. So getting the third building block this year is really important (which is why I lean towards Bennett).
Otto Porter - solid player with no weaknesses. Great complement to Wall and Beal
Anthony Bennett - explosive offensive player. Will he learn how to play defense? If not, he will not play.
Victor Oladipo - future All NBA Defensive team member. I would like this pick. Question is what will the Wizards do to fill the void at SF, PF and C in the future? Small ball can only work for so long.
getting a decent role player with a draft pick isnt beneficial. you can acquire someone similar with a MLE. gotta aim higher. I have no feel on what oladipo will become. he's so unique. but at the very least he's a great defender.
i don't think porter is a great athlete at the nba level. 2 things scare me off about guys who play on the perimeter. lack of elite athleticism and lack of handle, 2 things i see with porter. i don't think he's a very good shooter even though he shot 42% from the 3 this past year, but shooting is the easiest skill to improve.
The espn mock this morning on the ticker (Forde, I assume) had the Magic taking Burke. So much is in flux in this draft -- and players so often get "hot" as the draft nears -- that it's tough to game out who might be interested in trading up, who they'd be going after and what they'd be willing to give up.
What are the odds that Noel falls to 3? Maybe its me, but I don't recall much hype about Noel being the #1 pick earlier in the year when he was playing. How did he all of a sudden become the consensus #1 pick despite having an ACL tear?
Have you seen what they other options are? It's not like there's an Andrew Wiggins out there.
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