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If Semin were to sign a one year deal returning to the Caps would make sense. Talk radio in Pittsburgh today was debating adding either Shane Doan or Semin. The knock on Doan is his age and lack of speed, but Billy Guerin was the same kind of veteran player who thrived on a line with Sid.
The Pens are looking over their young guys, and Beau Bennett's name keeps popping up as a top 6 guy in the future. Is the future now?
Gotta wait until Phoenix's arena/referendum/ownership situation is somewhat settled until Doan will make a move. Gotta feel for the guy, dude's been nothing but loyal to a franchise that might be the least stable in all of sports.
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Pens are still pursuing Doan. He wants a three year contract, and the Pens are listening. I like this if they can do it, and I see him as a Bill Guerin type of acquisition. Doan may have slowed down a bit, but I think Sid could work with that. Just heard that on the radio while out grocery shopping.
Why wouldn't they? He's better than Guerin. He'll also be much more expensive than Guerin, but if you think he's the missing piece he gives you everything you could want. Rumor on the Caps thread was that an Eastern Conference team had offered him 4 years, 30m, which is risky for a 35+ contract. Allegedly that team was Buffalo.
Even if they had to give him 4 years, I think it makes sense for the Pens to do this deal, and I think he is better than Guerin was when he came to town, and he provides the same veteran leadership that Billy did. It also beats the hell out of Semin. hahaha!!!! Still it's just talk at this point.
lol @ Buffalo if they go 4 years, 30 mil on Doan. However, it falls right in line with their contracts from last summer.
"It's just so hard," Greivis said. "It's my heart, my love. Maryland made me who I am."
I really wanted Doan but for like 2 years, 4 years or more at any price is insane especially 30+mil
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"I like fixing broken things" - Kevin Plank
The Caps re-signed Green for 3 years at $6 million in the first year, and ESPN Insider (which I cannot read) has an article titled "Semin could return to the Caps". That's interesting.
Green's contract has no bearing on Semin. We have enough cap space for Semin and Carlson still to sign. Just a matter of term for Semin
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so what are the odds currently at for any sort of lockout?
Darren dreger and bob mckenzie (tsn reporters/studio guys) both tweeted about the negotiations and seemed completely pessimistic.Sounds like a 75% chance of some sort of lockout at this point.
Maybe it is being discussed, but I don't want to go in there and get called a troll -- isn't $6+ a little much for Green? That just seems outlandish to me.
It makes me feel better about paying Martin $5 million, and nervous because it won't be long until Orpik and Letang get to free agency and the market for experienced defense men is being set. He's still young, and they hope the old Mike Green returns, the guy who he was a couple of years ago before the injuries. He's only 26 isn't he?
Green's contract is higher-risk, higher-reward. With Martin you have an overpayment for a 31 year old whose ceiling is second-pairing defenseman. He's a $3-4m defenseman making $5m. Right now, Green is a $3-4m guy too and will be worth less if his injuries become chronic, but if he reverts to 2007-2010 form, $6m is a bargain.
Both Orpik and Letang hit UFA after next season. Orpik will be almost 34 years old then (and will be 34 before the 14/15 season starts). He's a fabulous player and surely a number of teams will go after him, thankful that he won't be a 35+ guy. But since he's not the two-way player Chris Pronger was, his age will keep his price down. You guys could probably keep him.
Letang, OTOH, will be 27 and poised to get Suter money. With Malkin hitting UFA the same year (and Fleury's $5.75m still on the books), I can't see any way you guys keep him.
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I don't think we can keep all of them either, gocaps1, but that's next year's problem for the Pens. We have some nice young guys coming along, and Orpik is getting up there. Letang is a lot like Paul Coffey, and I think the Pens will make every effort to try to keep him, and again, we have emphasized defense in recent drafts if we lose him. Plus we need a new CBA to know what any team will be able to do prospectively. I agree that there is risk and reward with Green, and he's locked for 3 years either way.
It's a really interesting situation. The market is overpricing free agents like crazy, when you have contracts getting thrown around like Carle's and Wideman's, it puts Green in a better negotiating position for a raise. At the same time, he hasn't been healthy for two seasons due to various injuries (head, groin, shoulder, etc) so you start to wonder if those were unlucky or the start of a trend. His offensive numbers are down, but that was in large part caused by Hunter's system, which didn't exactly allow Green to flash his offensive skills around, and that he played half the season on one leg. If we think he can come back fully healed from the groin stuff that plagued him last year, the deal will be fine. Also, its less $ relative to the cap than his last deal was when he signed, since the cap has increased so much over the past few seasons.
WRT the negotiations, Green obviously wanted more money, and we were willing to give it to him, but not over 1 year. I'm guessing GMGM wanted to buy a couple UFA years, but not too many, to hedge the risk that his injury history continues. He's only 26 and that plays a major part compared to Martin/Wideman/etc. Our org thinks his best days are ahead of him... we'll see.
Also, you have to hope Oates will implement a system that will use some of his skills, or else having him around is useless. You have to play to your player's strengths if you want them to succeed.
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Breaking: Shea Weber agrees to offer sheet with Philadelphia. 14 years, upwards of $100 mil. Preds have 7 days to match. Wow!!
Holmgren just negotiated Webers contract for David Poile
Yeah, Nashville will match.
I don't even care if Nashville matches. Paul Holmgren's balls can't possibly fit inside his pants.
Poile definitely matches. He can get a better return next year if Weber wants out. 4 late 1st rounders is nothing compared to what he could get for a long term signed Weber. Also big fucking LOL at the owners posturing and asking for 5-year contract limits followed by a 14 year contract offer to a RFA
im not saying they wont match but there legit questions as to whether the franchise is even liquid enough to match as the deal is massively frontloaded...upwards of 30 million in signing bonuses to be paid before nashville is allowed to trade him
According to Nick Kypreos, Weber will be owed $28 million in the next 347 days and $56 million by July 1, 2015. That's why it's possible the Preds won't match. If they don't, they'll probably work out a trade where they send the picks back to Philly for players.
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