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The Giants are listed as 9th because that's where they'd be if the season ended today.
Divisional team tie-breakers are done first, so they'd right now they wouldn't reach the point to where their better conference record mattered. Dallas would be be compared to Minnesota for the final wild card spot.
Elimination game tonight for the Jets (hard to believe they still have a realistic shot). If they win, the AFC race stays much more interesting.
Week 16 is going to be interesting, a lot of the playoff teams are on the road.
Cincy-Pittsburgh is the big game -- its basically an elimination game, especially if the Jets win. It definitely is for Pittsburgh, but if Cincy loses, they will lose tiebreakers to the Ravens, Jets, Steelers and Colts, and they will have to hope the Jets and Steelers both lose again.
Colts are in if they win either of the last two games, but also get in if the Jets lose, I think. The official NFL scenarios didn't have them clinching, but I can't see how they aren't in if the Jets lose.
Colts are in as the 5 seed with a win, correct? So they could essentially use week 17 as a bye week or treat it like a preseason game if they take care of KC.
This has to be the scenario where the Colts miss even if the Jets lose:
IND loses out (at KC, HOU) 9-7, 6-6 AFC
PIT wins out (CIN, CLE) 9-7, 6-6 AFC
CIN splits (at PIT, at BAL) 9-7, 6-6 AFC
Not enough games in common for a record there; only CLE and KC in common for all 3.
So Indy must lose out on strength of victory. I'd have to calculate that to be sure, but I think that's the only way Indy misses.
Houston will be doing the same (against Indy) in Week 17, assuming they beat the Vikings on Sunday. Win this week and they clinch homefield throughout.
Go away, KA!
As a Jets fan our easiest path to the playoffs is
Cin beats Pitt this week
Balt beats Cin last week of season.
Yeah, that's it. I couldn't find that scenario in 10 minutes of playing with the Yahoo generator, but that's it.
Also, even if the Colts clinch the #5 next week, they will play hard Week 17, because that's supposedly going to be the game Pagano returns.
quite the flawed tiebreaker imo. once the giants/cowboys are eliminated from division, they should be thrown back into the conference pool for the wildcard. after all, the wildcard is a conference spot not a division spot. if the the redskins go 6-0 in the east but 6-10 overall they dont win the division.
(i know it cant happen this year because of dallas/wash matchup) but there could be a scenario in a season where lets say giants/cowboys/vikings/bears all finish 10-6, the giants could beat vikings/bears head to head and split with cowboys, have the better conference record than cowboys but miss playoffs because of division tie breaker.
Divsion > conference. That's always how the NFL has viewed the importance. So first tiebreaker is always division.
As for the 6-0/6-10 argument, that's why overall record is the first "tiebreaker"
Let's say Team A, B, C all tie at 9-7 for the division and the #6 seed is also a tie among 9-7 teams.
The NFL will first determine the division winner, say its Team A.
Team B and Team C then become eligible for the Wild Card.
If there are multiple teams tied at 9-7, they first eliminate teams by applying the division tiebreaker, and then comparing those teams against each other using the conference tiebreakers.
If both wildcard are 9-7, and Team B wins the tiebreakers to get the #5 seed, Team C is still eligible for the #6 seed.
It looks like even that scenario is dependent on other games. If you fiddle with some games involving teams CIN or IND beat, I think you can set it up such that one or the other gets in in the 9-7 3-way tie.
PIT has the best SOS for wins of the 3, but IND and CIN appear to be neck and neck based on 9-7 finishes.
not really how i see it
right now at this exact moment wash wins the division ( understood)
now you have four 8-6 teams for the last spot, the giants have the best conference record, which should override for a playoff spot because the wildcard is a conference spot not a division spot. however dallas eliminates the giants,then minnesota eliminates dallas (as of today.)
i understand as somone mentioned this is how nfl does tie breakers, i guess i never though about it this closely, i just think its flawed
the nfl clearly feels the giants cant go in ahead of dallas because their behind them in division, but i feel its no longer about the division because its a conference spot.
the reason i mentioned 6-0 division record and 6-10 overall doesnt win division was to make a point. yes, you dont get in because of overall record, the giants dont win the division, it then should in a sense go to overall record ( conference).
its kinda just a matter of how you view it.
IF the Bengals beat the Steelers, the Baltimore game could be for the division title and playing Indy instead of NE I believe.
There doesn't feel like many teams the Ravens can beat right now. But obvously the Indy/Houston (likely) path is much more desirable than NE in RD 1.
If the Jets lose tonight, this is what has to happen for the Colts to miss the playoffs:
IND Lose 2, PIT>CIN, CIN>BAL, SD>NYJ, OAK>CAR, MIN>HOU, NYJ>BUF, KC>DEN (!!), CHI>DET, JAC>TEN, NE>MIA, PIT>CLE
Why would Chicago and Detroit have any impact? Strength of opponents?
Yeah, strength of victory..
This post was edited by indyumd 16 months ago
Washington clinches a playoff spot this week with:
WSH win + NYG loss + MIN loss + CHI loss
Skins @ Eagles
Giants @ Ravens
Vikings @ Texans
Bears @ Cardinals
The last thing I'm doing is relying on this Ravens team to beat anyone. Just win out, baby.
eamhokie94: Is your name Nazi in pig Latin?
The Skins cannot and will not beat Dallas.
So the season basically comes down to the Lions beating the Bears. Good luck with that!
According to Yahoo I was wrong. If CIN and BAL win this week, the outcome of the final game has no impact on the division title. Bengals would play NE and Ravens would play Indy. Ravens need to lose to Giants for division to be on the line.
i think we can help you there.
You can still play Baltimore if you win out and the Colts lose both.
While the Colts are the most desirable matchup for the Ravens at this point, it really would be a tough game. Forgetting the fact that the Ravens are reeling from injuries and not playing well, Arians and Pagano are intimately familiar w/ our team. Not to say it's a league that lacks for scouting but you get the idea. Some interesting storylines in that game if it came to fruition. Obviously Luck's first playoff game and Pagano's personal battle. But also his affilation with the Ravens. And then there's that whole Mayflower thing. Heck even Caldwell came from the Colts.
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