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Thanks, actually better than I thought. Do they keep swinging strikes on balls out of strike zone?
Of course. He swings at pitches outside of the strike zone 24.7% of the time, league average is 30.8%. He makes contact on those swings 56% of the time, league average is 66.8%.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by jsh 16 months ago
No, thats his contact in the zone. 56% out of the zone, 12th worst in baseball, but he swings less than most of the other guys ahead of him. He is actually pretty disciplined.
This post was edited by Titanterp 16 months ago
He will be good in CF in Jacobs Field and steal bases for them. He seems like a good guy in the clubhouse and community as well. I should probably be more upset with Dusty for misusing him than I am at Stubbs for being a whiff machine.
The Pirates need Starting Pitching in the worst way. However, we determine that Jeff Karstens isn't worth $3.5 million because he is oft-injured, then spend $2 million to bring back Charlie Morton who won't be back until mid-season. Then we spend $15 million of our precious money on a catcher who may give us 1-2 wins above McKenry, sign a 36-year old reliever with one good season under his belt to a $7 million contract and couple him with a closer that will get another $7 million this season (when the one thing we've had consistent success with is signing cheap journeymen RP and cobbling together a consistent above average bullpen) and look to trade for OF when OF is arguably our only strongest position this year.
It's just beyond fucking frustrating.
"It's just so hard," Greivis said. "It's my heart, my love. Maryland made me who I am."
I think you underestimate Russell Martin.
I think you overestimate Russell Martin.
Jason "Weak Shit" Grilli, ahh those were the days
Detroit Hustles Harder
I think there's some hope we can use Hanrahan to get a decent starting pitcher back but I'm not optimistic. I think some Pirates fans overrate Karstens but I think it definitely would be worth it to bring him back even at that price when you consider all the holes in our starting line-up. If we had 3-4 solid pieces already in the rotation I could understand not paying Karstens to come back and sit out half the year. But we don't. Burnett and Wandy should be solid, you really can't be too sure in what you'll get out of Jmac given how he collapsed last year, then you have a bunch of guys who are mostly unproven and may not be capable starters. If they aren't able to add a veteran starting pitcher to that mix, the non-tender of Karstens will look terrible. Gerrit Cole better be ready.
Martin is definitely worth the contract he received. But I still don't know that I understand why that is how the Pirates chose to spend their cash.
That's more or less what I mean. Sure, other teams could afford to pay him that contract, but we have a lot more pressing issues than catcher, RP and OF -- yet that's what we've focused on this offseason, apparently.
My mind is still blown that Martin's deal (2/17) is the largest FA contract in Pittsburgh Pirates history.
If you believe in pitchframing metrics, Martin is a great pitch framer whereas the Pirates catchers the past two seasons have been below average, possibly even the worst in baseball.
I understand he wasn't necessarily worth the money he received, but, for comparison's sake, Kevin Correia just got $5 million a year. While I agree Karstens is overrated by a majority of Pirates fans (and Correia is a bit underrated), the idea that Correia got $5 million and we couldn't justify keeping Karstens at $4 million as a stopgap for a year to get to Cole/Taillon is mind-numbing. Instead, we are looking at a number of minor-league arms to fill our 4-5 spot. I don't think they are going to trade Hanrahan until July at this point.
Yes, second best in baseball. Does that mean Jose Molina should get a comparable deal based off his pitch-framing as well?
On the flip side, he's also a righty moving into a tough park for righties, so we should also expect his power numbers to drop, much like Barajas, as well as his already-average CS% (mostly due to our pitchers/coaching).
This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by RaiseHigh 16 months ago
im sorry i was confusing...your "Superbowl" was the Redskins losing since you know that the Ravens cant win it all.
I wonder if the Pirates GM hurt himself writing that contract, not used to all those zeroes
I would try to figure out who the highest was before Martin but I feel like that would be an exercise that would cause me a great deal of pain by reminding me of all of the hilariously bad signings in the PNC Park era.
Now, on to the Top 10 free agents signed by the Pirates in the last 20 years:
1. Jeff Suppan, 2003
Suppan was an innings-eater, throwing more than 200 innings in four straight seasons with the Royals before joining the Pirates on a one-year deal. The innings for the Royals weren't bad, either, as he had a cumulative 4.79 ERA, good for a 104 ERA+.
Suppan started the 2003 season hot, going 10-7 with a 3.57 ERA for the Pirates before he was traded to the Red Sox. Freddy Sanchez came back in the deal, and he became a fan favorite and occasional All-Star. This was easily the best free-agent sequence for the Pirates in the last two decades.
2. Reggie Sanders, 2003
No one ever wanted poor Sanders for more than a year because of his injury history, but he was fantastic for the Pirates on a one-year deal in 2003, hitting .285/.345/.567 with 31 homers.
He can't be #1, though, because he wasn't traded at the deadline. On July 31, 2003, the Pirates were 49-57, eight games back in the N.L. Central. Sanders was healthy. You're telling me that there wasn't a single team willing to part with a semi-prospect for him? What did the Pirates gain from Sanders? They drafted 11th instead of sixth or seventh, that's what.
The good news is that the #11 pick turned out to be Neil Walker, who ended up being one of the best selections in the top half of that first round.
3. Roberto Hernandez, 2006
Hernandez was signed to a one-year deal, and he was okay before the trade deadline, which allowed the Pirates to flip him for Xavier Nady. Two years later, the Pirates were able to deal Nady for Jeff Karstens, Daniel McCutchen, Jose Tabata, and Ross Ohlendorf, all of whom provided value to the Pirates in some capacity.
4. Danny Darwin, 1996
Darwin was 40, and he signed a one-year deal with the Pirates. He was quite good for 122 innings (3.02 ERA, 146 ERA+), and he was traded at the deadline for Rich Loiselle, who was a decent closer for the Pirates for a couple of seasons.
You might have noticed that a half-season of Danny Darwin is the fourth contract on this list so far.
5. Javier Lopez, 2010
Lopez was a good situational lefty for the Red Sox from 2006 through 2008, but he had arm troubles in 2009. The Pirates snatched him up and got 38 good innings for him before they flipped him to the Giants at the deadline for a couple of quasi-prospects who didn't pan out. But it was still a good gamble and a good return, at least in theory.
6. Kenny Lofton, 2003
The Pirates made a concerted effort to grab two of the three outfielders from the 2002 Giants' pennant-winning outfield. I'll just assume that trade talks for the third outfielder stalled. Lofton was okay for the Pirates in 2002, and he was a part of the trade that sent Aramis Ramirez to the Cubs for some magic beans.
7. Matt Stairs, 2003
Stairs hit .292/.389/.561, with 20 homers in 305 at-bats for the 2003 Pirates. This was the same club with Sanders, Suppan, and Lofton. Like Sanders, Stairs hit really well. Also like Sanders, the Pirates didn't trade Stairs at the deadline. That's just bizarre. How was there not a team who wanted a left-handed masher like Stairs off the bench for the playoff run?
There had to have been one offer. It was probably straight up for Ryan Howard or something.
8. Wil Cordero, 2000
One of the top-10 prospects in baseball for two straight seasons in the early '90s, Cordero was something of a journeyman when the Pirates signed him to a one-year deal before the 2000 season. He hit .282/.336/.506 before the deadline, when the Pirates traded him for Enrique Wilson and Alex Ramirez. The good news is that Ramirez hit 378 homers and won two MVPs after the trade! The bad news is that it happened in Japan.
9. Terry Mulholland, 2001
After a lousy season with the Braves in 2000, Mulholland was okay in the bullpen for the Pirates in the first half of 2001. He was traded for Mike Fetters, who was okay for the Pirates as well.
You are reading about Terry Mulholland right now. Your day is full of surprises. The next thing you know, you'll be reading about Ed Sprague.
10. Ed Sprague, 1999
The Pirates signed Sprague to a one-year deal. He literally made the All-Star team. Literally! That's because he hit .300/.402/.545 with 16 homers in the first half. On July 31, the Pirates were 50-53, 13 games out in the N.L. Central and 11 games out of the Wild Card race. Sprague wasn't traded. Like Sanders and Stairs, there had to have been one offer. The Pirates rebuffed whatever offers might have came their way. Possibly because they weren't in the habit of trading All-Star infielders, gentlemen.
Sprague hit .197/.260/.321 after the deadline.
Its as amazing as you might have guessed.
Edging out Clint Barmes' 2 years for $11 million last year.
wow. I didn't quite realize how much of a dick Bauer is/was, but Nightingale's story really crushes him.
Why did Arizona trade Trevor Bauer less than two years after drafting him third overall?
Seems like he's an arrogant kid and his teammates never gave him a chance from the jump. Maybe a change of atmosphere is all the guy needs.
i dont see much wrong there bob. he just seems like a weird guy, not a bad person. veterans are usually the dicks.
I'm surprised Gibby didn't kick the shit out of him.
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