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Probably. I'd guess they would have won the Super Bowl against the Panthers.
Great hypothetical. What if we switched Vinatieri with, say, Billy Cundiff?
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Didn't that game come down to the last two minutes? But it was a Brady TD, not a FG, right?
No, it was a Vinatieri field goal as well. But the game was tied, and my guess the Pats would have won in OT.
You could easily argue they wouldn't win any of them.
And they certainly wouldn't have played in the first Super Bowl, nobody else makes those kicks in the snow.
I thought Vinatieri won that one by breaking a tie with a last second chippie?
It was like a 47 yarder. John Kasay kicked the kickoff OB with about a minute left, and 2 big pass plays got them into FG range.
This post was edited by GQCoolest 18 months ago
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Was it really that long? I watched it with a bunch of Pats fans, but I remember thinking that it was a pretty easy FG, even for non-God kickers.
Edit - wiki says 41 yards.
This post was edited by tecmoHOOperbowl 18 months ago
This is dumb, unless the premise is that you're replacing him with Christopher Reeve
Do the colts have any without bob sanders' roid guy?
Sry I should have specified the Indianapolis colts
How many more does he have without turd Welker?
I am not sure, but I am damn sure he doesn't have any without Teddy Bruschi, Ty Law, Rodney Harrison, Mike Vrabel, Willie McGinest and Richard Seymour.
His career actually puts to bed the idea that we need to judge QB's by Super Bowl wins. He has been a far better player in the last 6 years than he was in the first 4, and even better in the playoffs. He was 9-0 with three Super Bowls to start his career because he had a phenomenal defenses. In the first ten games of his playoff life his defenses gave up an average of 5 points in the first half. The only bad game his defenses ever had was the Panther Super Bowl.
This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by LCJ1049 18 months ago
Stupid hypothetical considering how close Brady was to five SB's.
He has Super Bowls because of a lot of things. I am on a personal crusade to rid the world of the QB's are great because of Super Bowls.
Give Brady the 2012 defense in 2001 and the Patriots lose to the Rams by 15. Give him in 2003 defense against the Giants last year and he wins that game by 10.
Here's the narrative of Tom Brady's career if it unfolded backwards.
Atlanta falls short again, and the rest of the news you need to know from championship weekend.
Since the Super Bowl win over the Eagles, Brady has had as many playoff games with a rating under 70 as ratings over 100.
Just read that. It is brilliant.
What the F? First time I saw actually since game. What a bitch he is. If he doesn't get fined for that then there is something definitely wrong.
I got pissed when I saw that play live and the refs didn't flag it, and the replay was even more ridiculous. You can't let players slide like that. You already have defenders in an awkward position in a lot of cases trying to avoid touching the QB when he slides, so they're potentially very vulnerable when Ty Cobb comes in with his cleats 3 feet off the ground. If the NFL wants to even pretend that it cares about "player safety," they need to fine that play.
Not to take away from hating on Brady, but the no-flag on the play where Mayo launched into Pitta's head was a thousand times worse. If for no other reason than it gets flagged all the time. I can at least understand why the refs didn't flag Brady because it was a complete "WTF, did he really just try to spike someone?" scenario.
I think Mayo's hit should be allowed. He led with his shoulder, wrapped him up and didn't seem to hit him in the head (their facemasks may have touched).
That being said, it's a flag 90% of the time
Maybe I have homer blinders on, but I completely disagree. He may have been attempted to lead with his shoulder, but unless my eyes are deceiving me, the side/crown of his helmet clearly goes into Pitta's facemask here. Helmet to helmet is helmet to helmet/that was defensless receiver by the definition of the calls they made through the year.
This post was edited by 7erps 18 months ago
The issue I have with Barnwell's "Career in reverse" narrative - and I think he realizes how silly it is more than some people may interpret - is that three Super Bowls is still a lot, and while Brady has had his disappointments, there's no clear benchmark for greatness. All the great QB's at some point in their career have had their blemishes, and winning the Super Bowl is really fucking hard and undoubtedly a team effort.
This isn't Jordan in the 90s, no where close. But when it comes to being one of the greatest QBs of all time - a category for which there is no Jordan - the accolades definitely add up.
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