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Clemson fans aren't the beligerent redneck yahoos you paint them to be. Our fans generally realize it's the annual WTF game that has held us back. But the ACC in its current format is terminally mediocre. The SEC doesn't say "We need Alabama and Florida to be good for the conference image to improve"
Their middle cares about football. Our middle will always view football as an after thought. ACC fans always say tailgates don't win games, filled stadiums don't win games, etc. It totally illustrates the point that we're a Mickey Mouse league. You can't sit back and say "Geez FSU, win something, we look terrible"
A football school is a school that dedicates resources to football, carries football as its banner, wins championships and has big support. Texas A+M is a football school and they haven't won jack shit in a long time.
You're not hurting mine or any other Clemson fan's feelings by saying we're not a football school. I don't have strangers flocking to my tailgate b/c we're good at badminton.
2005 saw VT come into the title game at 10-1 and ranked #5. LSU lost its title game to a Georgia team that was not in the picture for the top 5. Had VT managed to win, they would almost certainly have been in a playoff with USC, Texas, and Penn State and the SEC almost certainly would not have had a team.
In 2007, VT won the title game and finished #3 in the BCS standings and #5 in the polls at the end of the regular seasons. Ohio State and LSU were shoo-ins for a playoff, and almost certainly would have been joined by VT and Oklahoma.
And in 2011 VT was ranked 3rd in one poll and 5th in the other headed into the ACC championship game. A conference championship model would have had VT in a playoff with Oklahoma State, Alabama, and Oregon. Even in a scenario with one "wild card" to allow for LSU to deservedly be in the playoff, there is no reason to think VT (at 12-1) would not have been at least on equal footing with a 2-loss Oregon team or a 1-loss Stanford team which failed to even win its division.
That's three times post expansion where the ACC would have been in contention in the final week of the season, and in all three times, VT winning the conference would likely have been enough to propel them to the tournament. Given that every other year, the ACC's alleged football powers tripped over the own dick and were well out of contention late in the season, it's hard to blame that on the ACC. Either the competition in the league is quite a bit stiffer than anyone would give it credit for or else these football "powers" are going to have a tough time consistently stringing together 8-4 seasons when they move up to the big leagues.
And wanting to add West Virginia and ?? over the two we did is beyond stupid. West Virginia is NOT a football power.
Iowa state, kansas and missouri are football schools by that criteria? Baylor is when rgiii leaves? Look at the size of their school, stadium and historical record. K state is a whole separate discussion and snyder is like the biggest miracle worker since helen keller, but not sustainable without him. Same shit.
Pitt and cuse killed off the big east, that was something. Bball is 30%, and now the acc is the undisputed king for that. And acc is now the dominant east coast presence, again that is something. If they could dump wake for rutgers it would be nice.
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I just want to comment on how the Clemson AD saying football is 80% now means it's the truth from God himself. No crap the Clemson AD says that when his school adds nothing in the other sport.
I'm all for a playoff, always have been... But this post got me thinking that it's definitely gonna increase VT's chances of winning a natty. And if/when that happens, it's gonna annoy the hell out of me for a long time.
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"Maryland football: Where everybody gets hurt and the starting left tackle has an existential crisis."
They´ll still choke when it comes to actually winning it.
The fans who criticize the Pitt/Syracuse additions don't seem to realize that if/when a full ACC Network happens, you're probably getting in every home in Pennsylvania and New York. That's kind of important. But hey, go get your extra few mill for the next few years.
What about the large cities located in West Virginia? Or the great recruiting hotbeds located in that state?
Not only does the ACC own the BLACK DIAMOND TROPHY but we're now also in possession of the BEN SCHWARTZWALDER TROPHY. I don't think there's a single rivalry trophy that WVU has possession of yet some want them in our conference. LOLZ.
Hey now, don't sell the Governor's Trophy short.
We also added a NINE TIME NATIONAL CHAMPION in football yet the football schools still want to complain.
To be fair, most of Pitt's nattys are irrelevant today. That would be like adding Minnesota and pointing to all their irrelevant nattys.
Or Georgia Tech.
Everyone knows that all football titles won before 1953 are garbage.
“Why don’t people believe us when we say we’re content at 10?” Neinas said. “There is comfort with 10. The membership is much more comfortable having a conference without divisions. They’ve experienced divisions. Just three weeks ago our athletic directors discussed it thoroughly and everyone said we’re just comfortable with 10.”
If Syracuse brought New York they would not be in the ACC.
Tabe... Swofford himself has affirmed that the new deal is 75-80% football. It's fact.
Are you guys applying to the SEC? I didn't realize that. Congrats! I thought you were thinking of jumping to the nuBig 12. Saying football is "an afterthought" at places like UNC, Miami, Georgia Tech, Virginia, NC State, Maryland - or "the middle" - is a gross over simplification. Any one of those teams is a a good hire from being an annual Top 25 team. And Pitt won 27 games between 2008 and 2010.
If those schools are so terrible, why can't "football" schools like FSU or Clemson beat them consistently? Again, you're blaming the league for your own issues. It's not an "annual" WTF game for Clemson. It's "games". Plural. You just aren't that good. That doesn't change with a few extra million in your pocket and new "rivals" to play. If you think it automatically does, good luck.
Iowa State, Baylor, Texas Tech, Kansas... sorry, but as you note, the B12 ain't the SEC. Not even close. There is no reason why Texas, Oklahoma State, and Oklahoma - as things currently stand - should be any better than FSU, Miami and Virginia Tech. None. Chasing a single TV contract when the stars aligned is assinine.
I can't speak for FSU's recent history against these teams, but whether you take a 2,3,4, or 5 year snapshot, Clemson's over .500 against that pool of teams. I didn't say our middle is terrible. They're mediocre, with the added handicap of either bad facilities, or an ongoing AD fiscal crisis. All boats rise in a rising tide, but how does the conference image as a whole improve when Miami has 46 people at a game? Places like Groves, Miami, Byrd and Bobby Dodd tend to be embarrassments on the national stage. GT gets Bobby Dodd over run with red at home when they play UGA. Our middle isn't terrible, they just don't care enough.
Again, Clemson and FSU need to tend their own lawns a little better, but the neighbors' lawns suck even worse. CU & FSU need to trim the hedges. Some of the aformentioned schools need to get the rusted Jalopy out of the driveway and fix the crumbling steps for the neighborhood to improve.
Did I miss the part where Clemson was going to the SEC?
What do you think of a Heisman trophy winner playing in front of 8K-10K empty seats? Kansas had a lower paid attendance than Maryland last year. Kansas State barely outdrew Miami; the difference is Miami is playing in an NFL stadium.
It's interesting you complain about both sides in this one post. Miami averages 48,000 this season for a decent team, and gets attacked because they are playing in a modern cavernous stadium. Wake Forest, the smallest BCS school in the country, goes over capacity 4 times last year and gets attacked for playing in a small stadium, even after renovations.
The grass isn't any greener on the other side.
It's about to be a bit more black on our side.
I would have liked old gold at WF, but it would come across on TV as dead grass. That said, the turf field at BB&T is fantastic. Independent of the color scheme, I think you guys will be much happier with the turf field going forward.
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