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The point is they shouldn't leave because the ACC isn't the Big East. They have a better shot at a title in the ACC than the Big 12. They'd have no shot in the Big East.
Wanted to note something that may not be particularly germane but affects the "extra home game" situation. An FCS opponent will get paid around $400K-$500K (with exceptions for in-state opponents, which generally get less). However, an FBS school from the Sun Belt or MAC will usually get double that.
Appalachian State is going to get $450K for playing at UGA in 2013. If Appy moves up to FBS before the game is played, though, the payout increases to $850K.
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The ACC, as currently constructed, will always have access to the playoffs. That's really all you need. FSU built their brand on crushing a terrible ACC year in, year out. Now suddenly that's not good enough.
Agreed. I only want to see the ACC expand again if it makes a serious play for ND.
just got this email from Miami's AD:
Comments from University of Miami Director of Athletics Shawn Eichorst
We are so fortunate at Miami. Our University, under past and present visionary leadership and with an 87-year history of achievement, is strong in our foundation and in our beliefs. It allows us to stay steady when there are stormy seas, and that core strength holds us together today more than ever.
Since joining the Atlantic Coast Conference in 2004, the University of Miami has worked hard to measure up to the high academic and athletic standards set by our peers and we could not be more proud than to call the ACC our home. We are confident in our progress and in our accomplishments, yet there is still much work to be done. We are committed to the ACC and to doing our part to continue the tradition of excellence across the board. In that regard, we have not engaged in any formal or informal discussions with any other conferences.
The additions of the University of Pittsburgh and Syracuse University, as well as the new exclusive television partnership with ESPN, signal the very strength and nationwide appeal of the ACC. Fans will be able to watch more ACC sports and more ACC games in more ways than ever before with the most powerful brand in sports behind us. This is an exciting time to be a part of the ACC and we are honored and humbled to be among its members."
Whew! Glad he cleared everything up, with all this talk about Miami leaving*
*No one is talking about Miami leaving.
Just to expand upon this, Florida dwarfs Florida State by more than double in contributions (i.e. donations) 42M-19.3M. Same thing with SoCar and Clemson (24.4-14.2) although not QUITE as bad. So you gain a little bit of that back, which is great, except you're still behind, and that's even before the SEC gets a new and improved media rights contract. So...congratulations?
Also confused on what these teams want. I thought FSU couldn't sell tickets because their schedule wasn't attractive (i.e. tough) enough. But now Clemson has TOO MANY good games, apparently.
You have to love PAAAAWWWLLLLL
Paul Finebaum @finebaum
Staples on Miami statement re-committing to ACC,'It basically means- Nobody wants us.'
Someone needs to start a Conference Realignment Thread on the Suque ... it's now the only board without one, lol.
Bruce Feldman told Finebaum that he (Feldman) now believes FSU/Clemson won't go to the Big XII.
Right now there is no reason for ND to join any conference. They keep their Independent football money for themselves, play bowl games including BCS and financially benefit from Big East conference membership in the other sports. There is only one reason that ND would be motivated to join a conference. Make BCS conference membership in football a requirement to be eligible for the bowls, playoffs and championship game. Then all of ND's leverage is gone and whatever conference negotiations can begin. Though I would hate to see the ACC spend much time trying to land a program whose last major football accomplishment is the movie "Rudy".
People keep pointing out that a team that lays waste in acc play isn't gonna get left out, and that would most often be true. But the likelihood of a one loss team getting excluded from this new turd of a playoff is huge
I'm not so sure about that, especially if they're using the conference champ model which seems likely. It'll be like most years, you just can't have that loss be late in the season.
Plus the 4 team playoff is only temporary. Once the schools get a taste of the playoff money we'll be up to 16 teams in no time.
I don't know if it's gonna be four teams for two years or ten, but for that duration of time we're gonna be exchanging sympathy tugs with the BE
Not sure I agree with that at all.
Because it's clearly not true. The SEC champion will always get in. The Big Ten champ will almost always get in, but with the balance of the league and the conference championship, it's not a sure thing. But anyone thinking that unknown Pac-12 champ and unknown Big 12 champ are getting in over 12-1 FSU or VT or (LOFL) Clemson as a matter of course is simply buying into the hype. The problem (once again, as has been repeated many, many times) is that none of these clown "football" schools which are being dragged down by the ACC can manage to make it through the first weekend in December with 2 losses, let alone 1.
Remember when Boston College was ranked #2 in the country as late as November? Good times.
So 12-1 VT is getting in before 12-1 Oregon and 11-1 Texas... L...O....L....
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You expect a year in which Oregon goes 12-1, Texas goes 12-1 AND two other teams either go undefeated or lose only one game? That would be unfortunate but the odds of that happening are probably less than the odds of Clemson NOT pulling a Clemson during a season.
This is under the assumption that the playoff model will be the conference champion proposal, where the top 4 conference champs ranked in the top 6 will make the playoffs. If there are less than 4 conference champs in the top 6 than the remaining spots are placed by at-large teams.
For this exercise I'll place the 12-1 ACC champ behind the B1G/SEC/B12/P12 champs with the same record.
2011 - LSU/OKST/ACC/Oregon (Bama & Stanford don't qualify because not champs)
2010 - Auburn/Oregon/TCU/Wisconsin (If you take out TCU, ACC would've been in)
2009 - Alabama/Texas/Cincinnati/ACC
2008 - Oklahoma/Florida/USC/ACC
2007 - Ohio ST/LSU/VT/Oklahoma
use 2010 as an example. Auburn and Oregon were shoo-ins at 13-0 and 12-0. Then after TCU also at 12-0, there are two Big 10 teams at 11-1 (OSU and Wisconsin) and a Pac 10 team at 11-1 (Stanford). Insert any 12-1 ACC school into this scenario with the pending 4 team playoff and we're up the creek. Let's just assume it's FSU. They will have either lost to an ACC team or Florida. They're not getting in.
Just b/c Clemson, FSU, VT haven't won when it counted recently, doesn't mean the system isn't going to put it in their ass when it does happen, and it will hapen.
This whole stink of the matter is that Swofford, in the interest of adding academically aligned schools, made a total boner move. And no one's diploma value gets boosted b/c their school has league affiliates like UNC, Duke, UVA, Wake. The "football" schools recognize that they are responsible for 80% of the new deal, but none of the league brass seem to have our interests in mind. Pitt and Cuse are shit additions, plain and simple.
If the captain of your ship is incompetent, you can't be faulted for looking for another boat. Not saying moving to Conference X or Y is a great move, but people are incredulous that FSU and Clemson have feelers out. It would be stupid not to.
In 2010 1) Oregon didn't play a conference title game, 2) TCU played in the MWC, 3) the B1G didn't have a conference title game. So those are three factors that could easily change the teams ahead of a 12-1 ACC team. Not to mention Stanford wouldn't qualify in the conference champ playoff model.
How are we defining "football" school here? Clemson has won 9 or more games just six times since 1992. They've finished .500 or worse 5 times. They have 2 Peach Bowl wins, a Music City bowl win, a Humanitarian Bowl win and a Champs Sports Bowl win during that stretch. Just because the fan base cares more about a sport doesn't mean it's pulling anything close to its weight. Jesus Christ, we've gotten blown out in the Orange Bowl, too, in the last decade. It's not that impressive.
You recruit directly against SEC schools. Going to the Big 12 for x amount of extra dollars will not help you close that gap. If enough of your idiot boosters think it will - good luck! I look forward to you guys proving that it was the league that held you back all these years...not garbage coaching, not terrible decisions by the athletic department. Nope. It was Duke and UNC and the 4,000 people that go to BC games keeping Clemson from it's rightful place atop the college football universe. Look out Ames! Look out retarded Manhattan! Look out Waco!...the Tigers are coming and hell's coming with them!
Eh, the addition of Pitt and Syracuse got everyone in the ACC a $4 million annual raise from $13 mill to $17 mill. Not too shitty IMO. Also, if BC's president is to be believed, ESPN certainly didn't think that Pitt and Syracuse were "shit additions."
Swofford didn't do this, the ACC as a whole voted for this.
I must've overlooked the ol' "conferences mean squat for academics" argument. I guess FSU's faculty is just upset over a possible conference switch for nothing.
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