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Huge domino, IMO.
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If the Big 10 goes to 16 or 20 or whatever, they will make their own rules. Which I'm fine with, by the way.
Worst case scenario you do break away and you play only the Big Ten. Considering the conference will be the one with all the schools who are the most like us (Big State schools who also care about academics), I'm totally fine with playing ball just with them. Don't care at all about the West Coast, and I don't care about the cheaters in the SEC.
I hope everyone realizes that there will always be some governing body, whether it's the NCAA or some other entity. I get the idea to break away to make more money, but let's not delude ourselves into thinking that the next governing body is going to be any more legitimate. There will be rules, and there will be dumb rules, and there will be those who skirt rules and need to be punished. that will never change.
Of course there will always be some governing body.
There has to be, I think.
I'm just saying that it may well end up being the Big Ten one day instead of the NCAA. I wouldn't have a problem with that, in principle.
I don't see a 3 division 18 team conference working. Even if they were to set up a conference semifinals, you're either picking division champs off of a 5 game sample size (vs. division) or you're picking it from a 9/10 game sample where most of the teams in the division will have little crossover among interdivision opponents. Not to mention the tiebreakers for a WC would be a mess.
Two divisions for 18 teams, 4 divisions for 20. OWGs will just have to get over the fact that you rarely see the over division teams at 18 teams.
kinda off topic but I could envision the BTN expanding into non-Big ten sports programming and content in the future.
They were suppose to be airing academic programming, or something of that nature, but I don't think that's happened yet.
Well if they get JHU for lacrosse they could do some tie-in medical programming. Real Medical Mysteries or a non-crappy Dr. OZ
It's analagous to what MTV did with music. Or TLC with smart shows. You get on cable packages one way, but the expansion possibilities are almost limitless.
This post was edited by alexterp 17 months ago
I'm thinking professional sports. maybe start out small time at first with something like MLS, whose timing is good (spring/summer)
who really knows, maybe for the bigger sports (MLB, NHL) they start out with highlights/analysis shows which eventually leads to live games
Certainly for some smaller market MLB franchises, the b10 network may make sense, the twins, reds, etc?
Fox is turning Speed into its flagship sports cable network to compete with the Worldwide Leader so I doubt there's much push to put anything of interest on a second platform for awhile.
I see BTN2 more likely than BTN turning into some offshoot which doesn't show B1G athletics or programming. You never know though. If the B1G presidents and FOX feel they can make more money going in a different direction I'm sure they would consider it.
This would be a disaster for the B1G. They would at least need the SEC to join them, and more likely all the big time schools. It may make sense in the short run to break off, but isolating itself will lead the B1G to irrelevance.
I'm sure they would still figure out ways to still play other schools. But I do think that the Big Ten would probably want to do so on their own terms.
I mean, really, this is just wacky speculation. I doubt any of it happens. But it makes sense for the conference to look at things through this kind of lens because that's how they stay strong in the long run.
According to several people with knowledge of the situation, the group that has come to be known as college basketball’s “Catholic 7” will eventually grow to 12 — perhaps not all of them Catholic — when they formally begin play as a conference.
The man who has been charged with piecing together the new league is Georgetown President John J. DeGioia, a job handed to him, according to those who know, in large part because of a lack of interest on the part of the presidents of St. John’s, Villanova, Seton Hall, DePaul, Marquette and Providence.
There has been a good deal of speculation about who the other schools in the new league might be since the Catholic 7 informed the Big East in December that they were leaving the floundering league. In all likelihood, four schools are virtual locks to be invited: Dayton, Xavier, Saint Louis and Butler. The first three are Catholic schools. DeGioia and friends would probably be willing to make an exception for Butler because the school has become a national basketball power and would make the league’s television package a good deal more lucrative.
The conference leaders want six eastern and six western — really, midwestern — schools. The eastern division of the league will consist of Georgetown, St. John’s, Seton Hall, Villanova, Providence and either Richmond (also a non-catholic school) or Siena — a late entry but a potentially appealing one because it’s a Catholic school that (more importantly) plays in a 15,500-seat arena in Albany, N.Y.
The western conference would consist of Marquette, DePaul, Saint Louis, Xavier, Dayton and Butler. If Butler decides not to leave the Atlantic 10 — which it joined only this season — or if the presidents decide to go with Catholic schools only, the University of Detroit Mercy would come into the picture. Creighton, another Catholic school considered a potential candidate, is considered too far west (Omaha, Neb.) for teams in non-revenue sports to travel.
DeGioia has also targeted a potential commissioner: George Mason Athletic Director Tom O’Connor.
O’Connor is 66 and is in his 19th year at George Mason. He has one year left on his contract but has told friends he has no interest in retiring and has, in fact, been talking to the school about an extension. O’Connor would be a good fit for the new league because he is a basketball lifer: he coached at Dartmouth and Loyola-Maryland and was the AD at Loyola, Santa Clara and Saint Bonaventure before being hired at George Mason in 1994.
COLUMN | The nascent league is dealing with some issues, and mostly they center around, wait for it, dollars.
Wow has St Joe's plummeted from relevance. Now behind Siena and Detroit on the C7 wish list.
Go away, KA!
They're blocked by Villanova, has nothing to do with a pecking order or credentials.
No need to have two Philly teams. I am a little curious, though, about how excited Fox would be about either Richmond or Siena.
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It may be about Villanova or Philadelphia, but I think it's also about Hagan Arena. 4,200 capacity isn't enough to move into this league. The interest in Siena and Albany's arena reinforces that. Even Hinkle seats 10,000.
Georgetown Verizon Center 20,674
St. John’s MSG 19,033
Seton Hall Prudential Center 18,711
Villanova The Pavilion 6,500
Providence Dunkin' Donuts Center 12,400
Marquette Bradley Center 18,850
DePaul Allstate Arena 17,500
Saint Louis Chaifetz Arena 10,600
Xavier Cintas Center 10,250
Dayton University of Dayton Arena 13,435
Butler Hinkle Fieldhouse 10,000
That said, if attendance and big arenas are important, they should bite the bullet and go for Creighton. The problem with Creighton is if Butler joins, you are splitting Dayton and Xavier to create East & West divisions.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by ChrispyWF 17 months ago
That's the first article where I've seen Dayton as a lock. I don't think that is the case. I would think that Creighton and VCU have an inside track to the final bid if the league expands to 12.
I can understand the problem with Creighton in terms of geography. It may be that Creighton is not enough of a must-get from the perspective of Fox to overcome that issue. Having said that, I tend to agree about Dayton not being a "lock"; it's close to redundant for TV purposes, for one thing.
VCU's problem is that the final decisions are going to be made at the presidential level, and it isn't an institutional fit. I honestly don't think VCU is much of a TV draw, at least not enough of one. Not that Richmond is either, but then UR can probably be sold at the presidential level.
I know it's a longshot, but I am surprised Holy Cross has not received more consideration.
Of course, if UConn and/or Cincinnati decided to punt on football...
This post was edited by SandlapperSpike 17 months ago
Would Holy Cross even accept the invitation? My impression is that they're in the Patriot League because they don't want to put too much emphasis on athletics, though I know the PL has evolved somewhat in that respect. I would think if they wanted to move up the ladder competitively, they could certainly have snagged one of the open spots in the MAAC recently.
I can understand the issue of Creighton's geography, but I would think that you can mitigate it by having a six team Western "Division" of Butler, Xavier, Depaul, Marquette, Saint Louis and Creighton. As it is, the A-10 schools compete in a league that stretches from Massachusetts to Missouri to North Carolina and the current Big East schools are in a league from Connecticut to Florida to Illinois so really Creighton would be the only school whose travel would become more onerous.
This post was edited by Tabe 17 months ago
Yeah they declined back in the 80s so I can't imagine them saying yes now (esp since the Patriot League just added Boston U).
I wonder if the C7 stop at 12 for now (and take Richmond over Creighton) with the idea of adding Creighton and Siena or Detroit down the road. Since Detroit or Siena would be coming from a lower division, maybe you give them a few years to build their programs (particularly Detroit) before throwing them to the wolves. That would also give them a few years to gauge travel before stretching out to Omaha.
This post was edited by thesieve 17 months ago
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