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if Cincy and Uconn go, they have the votes to dissolve the Big East. This let's them keep the name and not have to wait the waiting period. I think
This post was edited by goterpss 16 months ago
Charlotte is leaving for CUSA next year. I think the CYO league ends up adding Xavier, Dayton, Butler, Saint Louis, and Creighton, with Richmond getting a look as well (closer institutional fit than VCU). A10 may end up being 10 teams again!
It is the business walk of the biggest, baddest bear in the national park happening upon an abandoned picnic.
Exactly and if you're the catholic schools isn't it worth it to bring Cincy and uconn with you if they bring the big east name even if you know that they will immediately bolt to the ACC if/when they are invited? I would think so.
Does the Big Priest (I like that name) begin next year? MSG for their tourney? For some reason I think they should add St. Bonaventure to that league too.
they said if it helped big east they would hang around extra year, and pretty sure they would have negotiate with MSG as they are not the big east.
With Nate Silver's article? Why do you say that? I think he's 100% right.
I really, really doubt that just the "Big East" name is worth maintaining the same problem that you had before with conference stability.
I'm not saying you definitely don't want UConn and Cincinnati, because especially UConn is a great brand and you might be able to figure out something with them. But realistically, they will probably go to the ACC if they get a chance--and they should. That's literally the whole idea in what this new conference wants to get away from.
The main thing they're trying to get away from is football-oriented decisions. If Cincy/UConn want to join than it makes sense to have them join. It will help the Big Priest with their TV deals and if/when those teams left they could either stand pat at 10 teams or they could backfill with St.Louis/Dayton/VCU/etc.
No way to St. Bonaventure, I think. They want high quality basketball in this league. St. Bonaventure has sucked for years.
The more I think about it, in some ways Gonzaga (if they're really willing to do it from there end) makes an awesome fit. Catholic Big East would probably be a better basketball product than all but the ACC and Big Ten if they could swing Gonzaga, Butler, and Xavier. That's a super-good basketball product with 10 teams, allowing you to have a home-and-home series and quite possibly a yearly tournament in NYC.
I'm pretty sure they're also going to be really interested in stability.
Don't get me wrong, I can see the argument for letting UConn in. Even if UConn is in the league for just a couple years it gives them instant legitimacy. I just kind of think there will be other options for them to explore. It's certainly no shoo-in and I can see the argument to the contrary very clearly as well.
I also think one huge problem with UConn is that nobody knows where they go post-Calhoun. So as highly accomplished as they've been in the past 10 years, there is a real risk there, especially because they were nothing pre-Calhoun.
You also keep harping on this 12 team league thing. But I really don't think that that would be intelligent for them and most of the articles I've read have indicated they're going to 9 or 10 teams.
This post was edited by alexterp 16 months ago
Almost all of the articles I've read have said 10 or 12 teams. It's going to be dictated by television. If they can make more money at 12 than they're going to go to 12.
jsh, sometimes you are crazy hard-headed.
There is no reason that a basketball conference makes more money with 12 than with 10. That's just not true. Football, yes. Basketball, not necessarily.
So while I agree that they will go to 12 if it makes them more money (obviously), there are a lot of factors that indicate that they will stop at 10.
No, I'm disagreeing with the premium post. Have no idea what it says. Just disagreeing in principle.
There are more than three candidates out there who are as good as the average gang of seven team, many of them better than average. That is reason enough to go to 12. There are reasons to argue for 10, but 12 makes plenty of sense.
As someone said on FTT, when it comes to bball, the money comes from the NCAA units, so you want as many good programs as you can to increase the number of bids you get in any given year. Adding all of Xavier, Dayton, Butler, Saint Louis and Creighton ensures you have a solid core (those plus Gtown, Nova, Marquette, and St Johns) that are typical qualifiers (hell, it may justify going to 14 to add Richmond as well, meaning you could see a Davidson or Northeastern or Detroit or Duquesne get added as well).
This post was edited by thesieve 16 months ago
Also, if they add Dayton, Butler, Richmond and Duquesne/Davidson, you would have an FCS fball conference with those 4, Gtown and Nova.
A good deal of the money comes from NCAA units. Not all of it, obviously.
Also, of course, we all understand that if you're watering the product down with teams that haven't made the NCAA's in years, that's obviously bad because the money gets spread to more dead weight.
TV is also definitely a factor. They will still be able to pitch their network to exec's and get a lot of money for whatever deal (though certainly a lot, a lot less than the football conferences). That means that the quality of the league is also a key factor.
What's going to be a lot less of a key factor is cable TV households. There's obviously no way that a league like this will be able to garner enough support for their own cable network. There's also no football championship game.
All told, I don't see any factor whatsoever that would push this league to move to 12 teams (per se) like there is for football conferences. Could it happen? Sure. If the right candidates are out there, 12 teams make sense. But there's a lot, a lot less pushing that than for football. It's pretty simple.
And four of those schools don't offer scholarships for football. Don't see that happening.
I would like to echo that thought,there really is no reason to do that on an open thread.
How will Nola respond to the assertion in this article regarding the ACC and Big 12?
And I think it makes a good point about the B1G. They're not gonna go raid a bunch of other markets before they integrate the two they just added.
Cue the inevitable post about Tier 3 rights...
Here is how the non-C7 Big East is going to try to recover:
Give East Carolina full membership (the original deal was football only) which would give the new league an Eastern group of Cincinnati, UConn, South Florida, Temple, East Carolina, Central Florida, Tulane and in 2015 Navy.
Form a western group which would include Memphis, Houston, SMU, Boise State, San Diego State and either Air Force, BYU, Nevada, UNLV or Fresno. The capacity to expand to as many as 16 teams remains on the board, although the plan now is go into increments as teams change, going from 12 teams next season to 14, 15 or 16 teams in the following seasons.
In basketball, the all sports group would be all of the schools in the Eastern Group other than Navy, as well as Memphis, SMU, and Houston. That would be a 10 team league which could work perfectly in terms of scheduling. But additional teams (UMass) could be considered.
Aresco could also include all of the western teams in an all sports division of Memphis, SMU, Houston, Boise State, San Diego State and then any number of the other group from BYU, Nevada, Air Force, Fresno State and maybe even UNLV.
Having absorbed a direct hit by losing the Catholic 7 group of schools over the weekend, Big East commissioner Mike Aresco is about to go into a battle mode
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