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they won't let him hit the market. They'll offer him an extension and it will be tailored to the success of the Ravens playoff run. Flacco has a lot of money to win or lose.
I agree with Devils that Flacco has the leverage, unless the Ravens are committed to a larger rebuild than I imagine they think necessary.
I don't know the cap situation of some of the teams with shit QBs (Arizona, Jax, Kansas City, Cleveland, etc.), but it only takes one awful team with cap space to throw 6 years/$100 million at him (or something in that ballpark).
I think they'd sell him on a good/great team, a new OC, and a favorable contract (5/80, e.g.). I think they get a deal done, unless one or the other party gets really stubborn or greedy.
"And I try to har-mo-nize with songs the lonesome sparrow sings...
There are no kings inside the Gates of Eden."
Unless the Ravens want to start over and take a chance on a cheaper QB like Tyler Wilson or Turd Landry Jones at the end of the 1st round, they'll get Flacco re-signed.
I wouldn't wish Landry Jones on my worst enemy.
Joe Flacco more then Cam lost that game yesteday, imo! In over 70 NFL games Joe has fumbled, what fifty times! His interception deep in 'Skins territory cost us a FG, and as it turns out, that was the game difference. Joe wants to run the 'no huddle" and Cam didn't. Joe's performance cost Cam his job. But Cam needed to go; Biscotti has seen enough apparently! And they are stuck with Joe; so Joe wins/ Cam loses!
The Offensive is predictable, the receivers like Smith run predictable routes so slower DBs can cover as they know where he is going, the guards cannot handle speed rushers. The once vaunted defense is a mere shell of what was. Our inside linebackers can not cover over the middle, we have no pass rush, and give up huge yards to the run. The defense could not contain a rookie QB in an intense, pressure end of game situation. Special teams could not contain an overtime punt return! This entire team needs a major remake on both sides of the ball. Is Ozzie up to that; everything in his past says yes!! we will see....
Frankly, the Ravens seem to have gotten old fast. Our drafts in the past two years have not turned out well as in past years. I suspect more turnover in the coaching staff at season's end.
This post was edited by tagterp 16 months ago
Isn't the franchise tag based on the average of the top FIVE players in the position? Also compensation for a franchised player hits the cap in year one, removing a lot of cap flexibility to strengthen other positions.
Flacco is getting a lucrative longer term deal, imo!
It's the top 5 salaries, not the top 5 cap hits. Salaries would be lower. It is definitely manageable in year 1. 1.5x salary would be difficult. I don't think they ever enter next year without a long term deal though.
This post was edited by WMTerp12 16 months ago
I think before Brees signed his deal it was 14.4 mill against the cap. It was supposed to be higher next year by a good amount and the Brees and Peyton deals will also bring it up. I imagine it will be at least 17 mill as far as a hit goes if they are not able to get a deal and stuck with franchising him.
Matt Ryan will likely be up for an extension this off-season too and will likely get near what Brees did. I think 5 years and 80 mill may be a best case scenario after thinking about it more.
Mike Preston (yeah, I know) was on 105.7 this afternoon. Said if he had to guess he thinks they'll franchise Flacco and deal him IF they get blown away with an offer, but he doesn't expect them to be blown away. I'm assuming that prediction is based on the next 3 or 4 games being similar to the first 13.
I now understand some of the redskin hate. I didn't realize we had fans that trolled here.
I have a soft spot in my heart for cam for obvious reasons. I didn't watch the ravens enough to know if he was the problem or not. However, I have enough respect for their coach, FO and ownership to know the move needed to happen and was likely correct. If anyone put his nuts on the line with this, I'd say it's flacco. I wouldnt sweat the flacco thing too much. The last 2 seasons have changed the landscape somewhat in terms of QB play. Rice is your franchise, not flacco. There will be plenty of serviceable veteran arms that would be willing to step into the role. Fixing an aging D and strengthening your OL would be my main concerns.
Good luck the rest of the way.
Who would have thought that we could talk about a beltway series and now a I95 SB in the same season?
Dead on with your response.
An I95 Super Bowl? You should be drug tested. Neither of these teams are going to the Super Bowl. The Ravens would need a ton to break right just to get to the AFC title game, and the Redskins are still more likely to miss than make the playoffs, much less win a game in the postseason.
I tend to agree with this. I think you actually will see a significant difference in the offense with the coordinator change, which isn't typically what happens. Expect a lot more hurry up offense. I would guess you will see more short passes and more passes over the middle as well.
Flacco does hold significant leverage because it is so hard to find good qbs, but the Ravens have some things in their favor too. If Flacco leaves, the teams that will try to sign him are not likely to be very good, and the Ravens also have one of the most stable organizations in the NFL. From always being in the playoff picture to simply having good ownership, great facility, etc. It's also close to his family in NJ. The Eagles might need a qb and would be one team that might really interest him, but good luck taking more money to go play for the Cardinals, Jaguars, Chiefs, etc.
Certainly not likely. Just saying we can talk about it, so relax. The ravens have all but clinched a playoff birth and the skins have played their way into the conversation. I consider myself an optimist but I never expected the Os to be playing in the post-season this fall. While I thought the skins were likely to be around .500 (and that still might be very accurate), I didn't expect them to be near contending to win their division.
I don't think Flacco has much leverage here. To me, the Ravens are at a crossroads with Ray and Reed due to retire any time now. The idea seems to be to make a switch to offense as the driving force of the team, and if Ozzie and company don't see Flacco as a true franchise QB then now's the time to jettison him and build fresh.
Of course, if this year's crop of rookie QBs stinks then that could buy Joe another year via the franchise tag.
I respectfully disagree. Flacco holds all the cards here. This is a QB league. A good QB makes you competitive, but, a turd QB makes you mediocre; as a Redskin fan, I can speak from experience. And, the Ravens don't have a dominating defense to carry them. Flacco will get paid b/c there are several teams that will gladly overpay for his services and the draft isn't looking so good. Besides, I don't think the Ravens want to go through the process of developing a rookie QB.
This post was edited by umdterps02 16 months ago
I95 Super Bowl repeat between Patriots and Giants seems pretty likely right now...
...if by pretty likely, you mean about a 3% chance.
No individual permutation has more than a 7-8% chance right now.
You would have to figure the Pats are the AFC favorite right now with Denver and Houston close behind. Houston is likely to be at home for the AFC champ game, which might be enough to get them past the Pats.
The NFC is a total crapshoot. The Packers haven't clicked all years and the injuries have just killed them on offense. The 49ers are still a big question mark because of quarterback play and I still think the Falcons are a bunch of soft frauds. The Bears are falling apart, which pretty much leaves you thinking the Giants will crank things up and find a way again. Who knows. Every time you think a team is on a roll and looks like the best team in the NFL, they get knocked down and you are back to square one.
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Being both male is where I would stop with the comparisons!
This move was at the minimum, blessed by Biscotti. I think he was more involved giving Harbs the benefit of the doubt in retaining him this year. The relationship with Cameron and the other coaches and many players was not good. Presto said Cam takes no advise nor listens to anybody, apparently including Harbaugh Sunday.
If I was Biscotti, and facing the Flacco contract, I would want to know if Flacco/Cameron relationship was overly influencing our QB's inconsistency. It is clear Cameron had little faith in Flacco's abilities in pressure situations (ie knees at the end of the half). Biscotti is a very good judge of abilities, and I think we wants as much data as he can get before signing Joe long term. Getting Cam out of the way for the last three games (two at home against tough competitors and one away against an improved Bengals team) is certainly a way to see any differences.
I was surprised at Flacco's fumbling stat with over fifty in 77 games, iirc. It is as bad as it gets when compared to others in the league.
Obviously a much different style....but here's one guy who did just a little better without Cam Cameron:
I hope Joe is not greedy; nothing about him says he is. I would hope he saves cap space so we can get two competent guards to handle speed rushers. Frankly he ought to make it a condition of his contract if such provisions are legal!
Joe has more leverage than do the Ravens, imo. This will be a Biscotti decision, hence the Cameron exit with three games to go.
Reed will want too much money and is a pain in the ass, running his mouth often. As great a player as he was for us, it is time to say good bye. Ray Lewis is going to be a much different situation, and I hope he and the team work out a deal, and eventually Ray choses to retire. He deserves to go out on his terms, just like Gary did at Maryland.
Yes, because one game that was in New England on a Monday night is exactly the way things would play out in Houston in the playoffs. New England certainly looks like a hot team right now while Houston seems to have peaked too early, but it's silly to make such definitive statements right now.
The Bengals destroyed the Giants a few weeks ago. If they met in the Super Bowl, who would you pick to win? There are many more such examples, but I'm too lazy to research them all at the moment.
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