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He may not be on the hot seat, but his standing should have dropped a few notches in the eyes of the owner and Ozzie. The fact the the front office was forced to make this change at such an inopportune time, highlights just how stupid it was to insist on bringing Cam back this year. Harbaugh allowed this cluster fuck to occur.
It also further complicates the Flacco negotiations. First, they never really had a chance to evaluate the "is it Cameron or is it Joe" question before it came time to make a decision on Joe. Second, any leverage hit Flacco took by having a bad season will be softened with the firing of Cam. His agent can just say Joe's performance was compromised by the terrible coordinator you were forced to fire.
Did the Cam firing come from Ozzie or Harbaugh?
offense: what is this word coach.....plaayactioooonn?
caldwell: it's pronounced playaction.
offense: cool, i hope it works, we never saw this word in our playbook
offense: coach, this is a passing play, why isn't joe in shotgun
caldwell: you can actually lineup behind center for a pass play, not just for run plays
offense: coach, these passing plays there is like a 15 yrd route, what is that?
caldwell: it's called an intermediate route
offense: no way, so you don't have to run 50 yr fly patterns every time.
offense: hey coach, ray rice is scheduled to get between 25-30 touches, you mean for the next two games, right?
caldwell: no, one game
offense: this game plan recommends joe to have an internal clock and hot read for EVERY play. He's not supposed to stand there like a water buffalo?
caldwell: yes, needs to get the ball off
offense: weird stuff
caldwell: carry on
At least something good came out of yesterday.
Hahahahahahah +1. Well done.
I see the lesser Harbaugh found his scapegoat.
lesser based on?
scapegoat for what?
OH HAPPY DAY
Anyone who wants Harbaugh fired or wouldn't take Norv as OC is crazy.
Good God it's easy to jerk the chain of Ravens Fan.
just wiat til you meet omar little
I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right?
oh, because that was you attempting to talk smack. I get it now. In the future, you should probably base your smack in some sense of reality...it might make it as funny as a Sean Taylor joke.
I think this is a perfect time to make this move. A firing of a coach a lot of players don't like is just the thing to bring some hope back to this season. Even at 9-2, most of us doubted the true value of this team and losing at home to Charlie Batch and to the Redskins the last couple weeks kinda shows that. I appreciate RGod3 blessing our team and bringing down the light on Cameron.
Jdgreger was definitely a Gary will never get past the Sweet 16 guy. Acting like a coach who's been to the playoffs consecutively more than any other coach in the NFL is some sort of buffoon seems a bit much. DGF with the classic say something dumb and then call it trolling move...nice.
You got him good.
Stick to Red Sox threads, where the clever people hang out.
I think Cameron has hurt the developmet or play of Flacco who I still think is a top 12 QB. Cameron called decent game yesterday, but most of others sucked. he had to go, good move.
Thanks for proving my point about Ravens Fan boys. As if it was a hard point to prove.
Serious question, what does Joe get in FA? 5 years and 80 million? I am sure he wants at least that much with Brees getting 5 years and 100 million. I know he is not Brees but he will point to his durability and record. I am sure one of AZ, KC, or maybe even Philly would cut that check if he ever hit the open market. He does not seem like he is going to take one penny less that the most he can get elsewhere.
How is the cap situation if he has to be franchised? That's probably close to a 18 million hit. If Ray or Ed retire does that help or hurt the cap situation?
I think 5 and 80 is realistic. He's certainly not going to get Brees money and he's certainly not going to settle for Fitzpatrick money. Somewhere in the middle to high middle of those contracts will be Flacco's ceiling so ...5 for 80 or 6 for 95 with 40-45 guaranteed would be my guess
Yeah I agree with those figures. I think he has the leverage. I mean he is really their only answer at QB and everyone knows it. Everyone also knows that there are plenty of teams so desperate for a QB that is not named John Skelton that they'll overpay.
Is your point that you would say something retarded and the fan boys would ask you to clarify your retarded point?
How can the Ravens possibly let him hit the open market? If he goes then it's over, you're in perpetual rebuild mode if you don't have a legitimate starting QB in this league. QB's of his caliber, even though he's certainly not elite, rarely hit the open market for that reason.
IMO Flacco holds all the cards because he has to know the Ravens have few other options.
Is franchise tag the average of the top-5 at your position? Because from my chart on the other thread, the top-5 QBs in 2013 are all at ~$20 million a year cap hit.
Top-10 QB money in the league puts him a shade below $17 million per year cap hit.
5 years, $80 million (Eddie Coyle's suggestion) would put him at about $16 million per year cap hit, which per my research looks like it's good for 11th in the league in 2013. I looked through all the QB cap hits for 2013, and I didn't see anyone outside the top-10 who would have a cap hit of 16 million in 2013. Others approach or exceed that in 2014. Essentially, Flacco would be paid in the 10-12 range of QB at $16 million per.
Comparisons: Matt Schaub is cheaper in 2013, goes to a $14.5 million cap hit in 2014, then escalates to $17 million the year after, and $19 million in the final year of his deal.
Sam Bradford has a big number this year, a smaller number in 2013 ($12.6 million hit), and then huge numbers the last two years of his deal (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/st.-louis-rams/sam-bradford/).
If you're in the mood for a laugh, Mark Sanchez's deal, even though it isn't what Flacco wants, is awful (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-jets/mark-sanchez/).
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