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You're arguing for the wrong Tiger, as pointed out. Trammel should be your candidate.
Brief thought on Ruppert:
He died in 1939. When Jackie Robinson was talking about the Yankees being a racist organization, he was more or less referring to the GM of that time, George Weiss. You can dock Ruppert for not being a reformer or just being an owner, but he is generally not tarred with the "ran a racist club" brush that someone like Tom Yawkey was.
As it is, Yawkey is (undeservedly) in the Hall of Fame.
So is Weiss...
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I'm hoping the new class of clearly terrific players will end the Jack Morris push. I'm going to be irrationally pissed off if/when he makes it in.
He has two years left on the ballot. I don't think he gets in this year, but he may be very close, and could sneak in next year even with the overload of worthies. And yes, that would be frustrating.
I think Biggio gets in this year and nobody else. I'm not completely sure even Biggio gets to 75%.
I don't know that your wrong on that, Spike, but damn, if there are a few slam dunk candidates and about a dozen worthies on the ballot, and the writers can't elect a single one, don't we have to just agree that it was a good 65 years, scrap the whole thing, and start from scratch? The thing was dysfunctional 25 years ago when Bill James wrote his book.
It's always going to be biased and imperfect.
Giving guys so many goes on the ballot seems like a real problem though. For one, there is the built in "no one is a first ballot" crap, and second you wind up with these decade long campaigns wherein marginal candidates eek their way up vote mountain.
One vote. In or out. If you don't make it then you get another shot in 20 years with the vets.
I wasn't arguing at all, or for one Tiger over the other. Obviously I want both in.
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Old-timers elected: Ruppert, White, O'Day. Dahlen was two votes short, the rest weren't close.
Dahlen should be in, but he'll come up again in three years and may get elected at that time. The others are all reasonable Hall of Fame choices, so good job by the committee.
Not HoF-related, but Hank O'Day being elected reminded me of the linked photo. It's of Swampoodle Grounds in DC. Benjamin Harrison became the first sitting president to attend a major league game there, and Pud Galvin won his 300th game at the park.
I have never been able to find out the field dimensions. However, in the photo, it is believed that the pitcher is Hank O'Day, and the catcher is Connie Mack.
another pic of Swampoodle Grounds, with the Capitol in the background.
If Fred McGriff goes in, I hope he goes with the Tom Emanski's Defensive Drills hat
have decided not to vote for mike stanton (the reliever) for the hall. being middle reliever and hgh usage hurts candidacy
Heyman having a vote kind of invalidates the entire HOF.
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I think Heyman was trying to make a joke. The problem with Heyman is that some of his Hall of Fame reasoning has been so specious it can be hard to tell whether or not he is being serious.
I'm sure it was a joke, but half of his real opinions are jokes too. Undercuts his attempt.
Yeah- its weird because it was pretty much out of the blue (I think).
Based on the ballots that have been published so far, I think it is increasingly likely no one is elected. I now think Morris actually has the best shot.
Bonds, Piazza, Clemens, Sosa, Biggio, Schilling, McGwire
You can't say the 90s/early 2000s didnt happen. You just can't. There are spitball pitchers in the HOF.
No Bagwell? Raines?
I didn't see Raines play in his prime. Bagwell should probably be there as well. Wasn't sure but looked at his #s again and he's there.
Sosa would be a really weak candidate, IMO. He's 194th in career WAR (127th among position players) despite being 85th in career plate appearances. He had a relatively short, steroid aided peak. For a guy with the PED mark against him in an offensive era whose candidacy hinges almost exclusively on hitting numbers, I don't see it.
I can't believe Biggio might not get in this year.
holy baseball writers think it could be possible he was connected to roids therefore he can't join their holier than thou prestigious club. The world would be a better place if the BBWAA were blown up.
I don't understand how the writers got a monopoly on voting. Shouldn't the radio/TV broadcasters be allowed to vote as well?
I think Posnanski made a good point though recently that it doesn't really matter, a good chunk (maybe over half?) of everyone in the HOF were never elected by the writers.
Just make the plaque silver or green or something and put an asterisks on it, but christ, lets end all this.
I don't get why people get as hung up about the Hall of Fame. If we are going to be suspicious of every single player (other than Saint Jeter, I guess), then you can assume everyone was juicing, so the best players were still the best players. The steroids don't actually swing the bat for you or put spin on a curveball. They helped people stay healthier longer, and added numbers, but I don't buy the theory that they made HOFers out of complete scrubs.
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