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Big year this year, another big year next year.
I've seen a couple of veteran writers, Olney and Pete Abraham to name two, change their stances on how they're voting. Both will vote in players who are known PED users. Will be interesting to see how the vote goes this year.
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Bonds, Biggio, Schilling, Bagwell, Raines, Trammell, Walker, McGwire...those are my gut picks without looking too closely.
(Obviously my ballot, not predictions)
Missed some names that I'll edit into the OP. Clemens, Piazza and Sosa are also on the ballot.
Add Clemens and Piazza.
Posnanski wrote that there were 14 players he would like to vote for, but the ballot only has 10 spots. Then there will be the writers who vote for nobody except Jack Morris...
There are 12-15 Hall of Famers on that list, but some of them might fall off the ballot this year because they won't get 5%+ of the vote.
Since this is the HoF thread, here is the Pre-Integration candidates:
Samuel Breadon (longtime owner of the Cardinals during the Branch Rickey era)
Bill Dahlen (great shortstop of the 1890s and early 1900s)
Wes Ferrell (arguably the greatest hitting pitcher ever, non-Babe Ruth division)
Marty Marion (shortstop for the Cardinals during the 1940s; won an MVP award)
Tony Mullane (1880s pitcher who was known as "The Apollo of the Box")
Hank O'Day (former player turned longtime umpire; worked the first World Series)
Alfred Reach (player/executive/sporting goods magnate/magazine publisher)
Jacob Ruppert (owned the Yankees during the Ruth/Gehrig era)
Bucky Walters (third baseman turned outstanding pitcher during the 1930s and 1940s)
Deacon White (played during the 1870s and 1880s; barehanded catcher who could really hit)
A committee of 16 will vote on these guys. They will need at least 12 votes to be elected.
-- Dahlen was a great player and should be elected.
-- It's hard to believe Ruppert isn't already in the Hall of Fame, to be honest.
-- Breadon has a great record as an owner, but how much of that was due to Rickey? I think a lot.
-- Marion is probably the weakest of the ten candidates.
-- Mullane was really good but not super-extraordinary; also a nasty racist. No.
-- O'Day probably should be in the Hall, but I would put Silk O'Loughlin in the Hall before him.
-- Reach is an enigmatic candidate. My gut reaction is that he is a lesser version of Albert Spalding. I don't see any reason to put him in the Hall.
-- Bucky Walters had a couple of Hall of Fame seasons, but needs more on his resume.
-- Wes Ferrell was better than his brother, who is in the Hall, but that doesn't mean Wes should be in Cooperstown. It just means Rick shouldn't be.
-- Deacon White is probably deserving of enshrinement, even though he believed the world is flat.
This post was edited by SandlapperSpike 20 months ago
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My ballot (among those listed) : Bonds, Piazza, Clemens, Sosa, Biggio, Bagwell, Trammell, McGwire, Palmeiro, Murphy.
This post was edited by marylandmike 20 months ago
It's so awesome I can watch clips of NONE OF THESE PLAYERS on youtube.
Thanks again to Bud Selig. In a normal universe, Bettman and Goodell would easily be the worst commissioners in history, but Selig easily surpasses those two. How does that POS become the commissioner when he sold the integrity of the game by colluding with the owners? That was so disgusting that he should have never been considered a commissioner. That doesn't even include the strike, contraction, tie all star game, HFA all-star game, 19th century MLB.TV blackout rules, etc.
If I had a vote for this year I'd definitely vote Bagwell, Biggio, Raines, Trammell, Schilling, McGwire, Piazza.
I'd also probably vote Bonds and Clemens, but each guy was enough of a dick that I wouldn't be bothered by not voting for them for a year. Both obviously deserve it, as well as Sosa based on the voting history of the HOF.
Really not sure who will make it this year. Of the holdovers Morris got 66%, Bagwell 56%, Lee Smith (WTF?) 50%, and Raines 48% last year. Not sure if any of them get enough of a bump, and not sure among the new guys if any get in because of the roids/voting issue. There still seems to be a solid block of "no roids guys ever" voters.
I meant to start this thread Wednesday or Thursday. Its gonna be interesting, that's for sure.
"Maryland football: Where everybody gets hurt and the starting left tackle has an existential crisis."
Schilling gets in, Bagwell gets in, Biggio gets in, None of the roid guys get in and Morris makes it finally and deservedly so.
It will be interesting to see what they do about sammy sosa who 100% took steroids common sense would say but has never been linked to anything really.
Pic Sigs are for losers.
My Ballot would be:
Bonds, Clemens, Raines, E.Martinez, Palmeiro, Piazza, McGwire and Sosa. Biggio is close but his last 6-7 years was just good. Schilling is very interesting because his postseason numbers are off the charts but I'm not convinced some of his regular season numbers dont hold him back. Larry Walker being 16th alltime in OPS is really impressive but Jeff Bagwell has a better OPS+. I think this stuff is really interesting and I think you could make a decent argument for 12-14 guys I even think you could make a good argument for Bernie Williams who I dont think has much of a shot to make it.
99.999999% chance one of the three guys you named was a roid guy.
Well, I mean, that’s what it is. I doodoo and then listen to Katy Perry.
Goes without saying, IMO.
This is the important point to me. Whether there's already a guy in the Hall of Fame who was a roid guy, or whether someone slips through the cracks in the next few years, there will be roid guys in the Hall of Fame. It's unavoidable and in all likelihood, it will come out publicly before long. So to me, keeping the best of the best out of the Hall of Fame simply because of steroids is beyond moronic.
These are my choices, in priority order:
Fred McGriff is pretty close too...I might be convinced to give him a nod.
Personally I think voters should ignore the steroid issue completely.
However I do think if you hold steroids against McGwire, you can't turn around and vote for Bonds or Clemens. Be consistent.
Schilling, Lofton, McGriff, Raines, Mattingly
I totally agree with this, but the flipside of MLB's philosophy on digital video is MLB.tv and their apps, which are easily the class of the field.
As a Mets fan, if Piazza is inducted, he gets in with a Mets cap. There are great SABR & statistical arguments for which cap he deserves.
None of them were ever linked to roids however. That is the key, Guys like bonds, mcgwire, all had smoking guns or 100% used.
Personally I'd vote for all of them since I bet like 75% Of players were juicing during that time period. However, I think the HOF voters are going to use their own criteria and those are the three guys I see getting in.
Bonds and Clemens are a no go.
My votes are for Biggio and Schilling.
A couple of data points made me think, hey, Bonds Associatio...
Jackie Robinson, back in the day, calling the Yankees a racist organization when they were one of the last holdouts to integrate would make it hard for me to mark my ballot for him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you can "Ty Cobb" me, along with umpteen other racist players, but this was an owner who had a greater responsibility to the game.
Anyway, just my humble
Jack Morris HAS to be in the HOF. Not one player from the '84 team is in the HOF.
Detroit Hustles Harder
here we go
Trammell should be.
Really? He's like the epitome of the Hall of Very Good.
He never finished higher than 4th in MVP voting. He was consistent for a very long time so he has good counting stats, but you never thought, "This is one of the greatest to ever play."
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