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Congratulations Derek Jeter!

  • fwiw i am FAR from a yankee fan. it's just that there are some really insecure oriole fans on this board that can't appreciate a great player. i get the cal > jeter arguments and definitely think the two will compare very closely when jeter calls it quits in a few years. the "omg jeter sucks what a loser" arguments are just plain stupid though.

    i guess 14 straight losing seasons will do that.

    balderdash

    ZackGreinkeTerp

  • jsh said...

    The only people I was bagging on are those who complain about A-Rod coming up short while also praising how clutch Jeter is.

    yea those people are dumb as well. both players have showed very well in the playoffs.

    balderdash

    ZackGreinkeTerp

  • lmao insecure orioles fans

    AlphaOmega said... im sorry i was confusing...your "Superbowl" was the Redskins losing since you know that the Ravens cant win it all.

    TheHugeManatee ●

  • TheHugeManatee said...

    lmao insecure orioles fans

    im certainly not calling out you, tabe, jsh, etc. you can probably pick out the ones in this thread though lol.

    balderdash

    ZackGreinkeTerp

  • I'm not an Oriole fan but other than the first four WS years I have never thought that the bi-racial angel was that amazing a post season player.

    I found Manny Ramirez to be much more clutch in the post season but no one mentioned that even before the steroids stuff.

    Eddie Coyle ●

  • Eddie Coyle said...

    Wow, Jeter has only knocked in 57 runs in 679 playoff ABs. Thought his playoff numbers would be off the charts when I looked it up. Not so.

    He's a first- or second-place hitter. That stat is to be expected. But you keep cherry picking stats and quoting renowned Yankee-hater Rob Neyer to prove your "point."

    YankeeTerp ●

  • I will go with Rob Neyer over "Yankee Terp".

    Eddie Coyle ●

  • Eddie Coyle said...

    I'm not an Oriole fan but other than the first four WS years I have never thought that the bi-racial angel was that amazing a post season player.

    I found Manny Ramirez to be much more clutch in the post season but no one mentioned that even before the steroids stuff.

    Lol at "other than the first 4 World Series years"

    tecmoHOOperbowl ●

  • Eddie Coyle said...

    I'm not an Oriole fan but other than the first four WS years I have never thought that the bi-racial angel was that amazing a post season player.

    I found Manny Ramirez to be much more clutch in the post season but no one mentioned that even before the steroids stuff.

    lol yep, definitely throw out his four world series rings. good idea when analyzing a player's success imo.

    balderdash

    ZackGreinkeTerp

  • Eddie Coyle said...

    I will go with Rob Neyer over "Yankee Terp".

    Well, just as long as you acknowledge my rather obvious bias while ignoring Neyer's rather obvious bias, then you can't go wrong.

    YankeeTerp ●

  • YankeeTerp is going to be the quickest poster ever to 2 stars. Don't come to our board and talk shit about Cal, dick.

    WMTerp12 ●

  • "i never thought the godfather was all that great. if you throw out the first two movies in the trilogy, the godfather kind of sucks."

    balderdash

    ZackGreinkeTerp

  • WMTerp12 said...

    YankeeTerp is going to be the quickest poster ever to 2 stars. Don't come to our board and talk shit about Cal, dick.

    :popcorn

    BobWadeSurvivor ●

  • Fair point on not throwing his first four rings BUT they were a long time ago and he has had eleven seasons since then. For a guy named Captain Clutch or Mr November the past decade is not that amazing.

    Eddie Coyle ●

  • Was at the game today - great, great moment.

    loooool at all the butthurt O's fans in here - sorry, there is no measurable way you can have Cal ahead of Jeter, unless you cherry pick their best 3 seasons. Call had an entire DECADE where he was a below average offensive player (1992-2001: .271/.329/.424, 96 OPS+) - his last elite year was at age 30. Even including Jeter's last two shitty years, he's been a 113 OPS+ player since age 31, including a MVP caliber season at age 35. They are both great, great players, but to say that Ripken is better is blind homerdom.

    NYCTerp05: i guarantee you my child won't turn out gay

    JemoTerp

  • well, you could make a pretty good argument that for the whole decade before that, cal was the best player in all of baseball

    screamin_jay ●

  • I can buy that - I agree that his highs were higher (I think his MVP season is one of the best seasons in baseball history). Career to career though, the argument feels pretty weak, based on both the counting stats and the rate stats.

    Edit - meant to quote jay's post.

    This post was edited by JemoTerp on 7/9/2011 at 7:35 PM

    NYCTerp05: i guarantee you my child won't turn out gay

    JemoTerp

  • No measurable way? How about 200 more home runs, 2 MVP's, 8 seasons as the best hitter at his position in baseball compared to 2 for Jeter, 500 more RBI, all in a dead ball era compared to a game that is now built to put up huge amounts of runs.

    WMTerp12 ●

  • WMTerp12 said...

    YankeeTerp is going to be the quickest poster ever to 2 stars. Don't come to our board and talk shit about Cal, dick.

    I wasn't trying to "talk shit about Cal." I said in previous posts that I love and respect Cal, but he's in consideration for "worst 3,000-hit player" if Derek Jeter is. Stats are stats. I understand why people hate Jeter. I really do. The media hype is unreal. He's totally sucked off by ESPN on the regular.
    I didn't come here to flame O's fans or try to be a prick. I just did the same thing that O's fans are doing right now: defend a player that I'm a fan of. I'm just savagely outnumbered.
    And yes, my rating is taking a real beating today.

    YankeeTerp ●

  • WMTerp12 said...

    No measurable way? How about 200 more home runs, 2 MVP's, 8 seasons as the best hitter at his position in baseball compared to 2 for Jeter, 500 more RBI, all in a dead ball era compared to a game that is now built to put up huge amounts of runs.

    Jeter should've won one and probably two MVPs (1999 and 2008), but I'll grant you that - I already agreed that Ripkens' best seasons were better than Jeter's - I'm saying Jeter has had a better career.
    Why should Jeter get penalized for playing in an era with a better SS than both him and Ripken (Arod) if we're just comparing those two?
    the era adjusted numbers still have Jeter ahead for his career (117 vs 112 OPS+, though Jeter is likely to come down the longer the plays - i bet they end up almost even)
    lol RBIs argument. Meaningless stat.
    Home Runs - yes, was a better power hitter, no question. not a better player

    I'm not going to convince anyone of anything here, I know the Ripken homers are rabid and hating Jeter is easy. The numbers make the Ripken argument hard unless you're saying that best few peak seasons drowns out a decade of mediocrity.

    This post was edited by JemoTerp on 7/9/2011 at 7:45 PM

    NYCTerp05: i guarantee you my child won't turn out gay

    JemoTerp

  • I'm still waiting for the "BUT HE GOES ALL OUT" argument or the "DIDN'T YOU SEE HIM DIVE IN TO THE STANDS".

    WMTerp12 ●

  • I just wanna say that I love Cal Ripken Jr. more than any person in the whole world.

    "I suffered through the Boller years and nearly a decade of offensive futility." -Bmorechil

    ccterp ●

  • Interesting going through some numbers in this discussion. Not sure what the bigger LOL is, that Cal only had 2 gold gloves, or that Jeter was somehow given 5.

    PaulUMD

  • And Jeter had an entire DECADE where he was a below average defensive player (95-04: -98 runs in the field) and then another seven years where he was really bad (05-11: -34 runs).

    Also LOL at the offensive advantage argument. Cal played until he was 40. The captain has an OPS under .700 the past two years. What do you think his numbers will look like if the Yankees actually let him play as a regular until his contract is up?

    And LOL at Jeter should have won an MVP in 2009.

    Tabe

  • WMTerp12 said...

    I'm still waiting for the "BUT HE GOES ALL OUT" argument or the "DIDN'T YOU SEE HIM DIVE IN TO THE STANDS".

    Nobody's making that argument because it's a stupid one to make.
    I REALLY underestimated the love for Cal in the area, and I REALLY know he's the god of the O's. My bad.

    YankeeTerp ●

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