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Conference Realignment Thread (Hopkins Seeks Conference)

  • Anyone know if/when the nd bcs bowl rules expire? As long as the have their own rule and their own tv contract...

    winterps ●

  • winterps said...

    Anyone know if/when the nd bcs bowl rules expire? As long as the have their own rule and their own tv contract...

    Those are part of each BCS contract, and there's no reason to think that Notre Dame won't get a free pass in so long as there's a BCS.

    The only way Notre Dame is going to join a conference is if the Big East completely collapses and the Irish don't have a home for their other sports. When/if that happens, whoever they decide to join up with isn't going to give them the same no-football arrangement the Big East did.

    fuzzy510

  • fuzzy510 said...

    Those are part of each BCS contract, and there's no reason to think that Notre Dame won't get a free pass in so long as there's a BCS.

    The only way Notre Dame is going to join a conference is if the Big East completely collapses and the Irish don't have a home for their other sports. When/if that happens, whoever they decide to join up with isn't going to give them the same no-football arrangement the Big East did.

    Define "complete collapse".

    The basketball side won't dissolve because those schools have no desire to go anywhere.

    The question then becomes: what is the minimum number/composition of FBS schools that will satisfy ND?

    PoorMike

  • Even though we aren't even near that point right now, a Wake poster did a spreadsheet of pod scheduling and I thought it was nice to have a visual representation...just copy the link and open the attached spreadsheet in the post

    http://www.ogboards.com/forums/showpost.php?p=373387&postcount=2022

    "WE WANT MORE WE WANT MORE girl is providing the rallying cry for the 2013 O's." ~dh2k3

    JDawgBBall9

  • Still can't decide whether I want UConn or Rutgers.

    This post was edited by jsh on 10/19/2011 at 11:21 AM

    jsh ●

  • Rutgers really is a much better choice then Uconn... Best case scenario, in my mind, is for WVU and Louisville to hook up with a conference and watch both wither completely on the vine for a few decades

    NJTerpfan1 ●

  • UCONN and Rutgers are both fillers. At least with UCONN you get a solid basketball program. Neither will ever amount to anything more than a BoD in football. They're really not that much better than Pitt and Syracuse except Pitt and Cuse actually have history in football.

    terpgrad05

  • There is only one reason to take Rutgers, it will prevent the Big 10 from taking them....the Big 10 in my opinion will never take UConn. If that is the case, what is left East? Poach MD or UVA are the only options for them.

    HumphreyBogart said... Jackie Robinson isn't dirty. This isn't Pack Pride.

    tcc_dc ●

  • JDawgBBall9 said...

    http://www.ogboards.com/forums/showpost.php?p=373387&postcount=2022

    LOL. I just now realized I can actually access the Wake boards from work.

    I was only trying to access the base http://www.ogboards.com in the past. And since that did not work, I did not bother to attempt anything else.

    OrangeTerrapin

  • True, taking Rutgers would ensure the ACC of keeping them out of the Big Ten. That said, the Big Ten already has the prize football school in the east with Penn State. Adding Rutgers allows them to marginally expand their reach, but not substantially.

    terpgrad05

  • PoorMike said...

    Define "complete collapse".

    The basketball side won't dissolve because those schools have no desire to go anywhere.

    The question then becomes: what is the minimum number/composition of FBS schools that will satisfy ND?

    The ultimate question is whether a conference of Marquette, DePaul, Georgetown, Villanova, Seton Hall, St. John's, Providence, and whoever else can be enticed is enough to keep ND satisfied. I don't think Rutgers or USF makes any difference to ND in this Big East. UConn and Louisville do because of the basketball profile. WVU is a more difficult question; up right now but does WVU generate interest for ND?

    ChrispyWF ●

  • ChrispyWF said...

    The ultimate question is whether a conference of Marquette, DePaul, Georgetown, Villanova, Seton Hall, St. John's, Providence, and whoever else can be enticed is enough to keep ND satisfied. I don't think Rutgers or USF makes any difference to ND in this Big East. UConn and Louisville do because of the basketball profile. WVU is a more difficult question; up right now but does WVU generate interest for ND?

    I think you and I are starting out saying the same thing: what FBS schools would be needed to satisfy them in basketball: UConn, UL, WV seem like good bets, but how many of those 3 at a minimum? No, they probably don't care much about RU and USF.

    As for non-FBS schools, I have doubts whether a conference of only Jesuits would work for ND. The reason is that ND's AD is much larger than the rest and it would essentially be men playing with boys. I know it didn't help Penn State in the A-10 back in the day, but I don't know if ND would want that setup long-term. ND is already competitive in other sports besides football (I don't believe Penn State was, except for maybe men's vb).

    So I'll correct it: what's the minimum composition of schools that would work for ND? Only they know for sure.

    PoorMike

  • scacchoops

    The model will likely be 2 7 team divisions in basketball, playing your division twice, and other division teams once.

    ------------

    I take this as a hint that Cuse may be joining the Atlantic unless they're doing separate divisions for basketball, which would be beyond dumb. No way they're sticking Cuse, Duke and UNC in the same division.

    jsh ●

  • jsh said...

    I take this as a hint that Cuse may be joining the Atlantic unless they're doing separate divisions for basketball, which would be beyond dumb. No way they're sticking Cuse, Duke and UNC in the same division.

    Why do we need bb divisions, again?

    PoorMike

  • jsh said...

    scacchoops

    The model will likely be 2 7 team divisions in basketball, playing your division twice, and other division teams once.

    ------------

    I take this as a hint that Cuse may be joining the Atlantic unless they're doing separate divisions for basketball, which would be beyond dumb. No way they're sticking Cuse, Duke and UNC in the same division.

    Please let us keep the Atlantic division with just 'Cuse being added. We would dominate playing home & home with Clemson/Wake/FSU/NCState & BC every year. Dear god.

    XrisTerp ●

  • PoorMike said...

    I think you and I are starting out saying the same thing: what FBS schools would be needed to satisfy them in basketball: UConn, UL, WV seem like good bets, but how many of those 3 at a minimum? No, they probably don't care much about RU and USF.

    As for non-FBS schools, I have doubts whether a conference of only Jesuits would work for ND. The reason is that ND's AD is much larger than the rest and it would essentially be men playing with boys. I know it didn't help Penn State in the A-10 back in the day, but I don't know if ND would want that setup long-term. ND is already competitive in other sports besides football (I don't believe Penn State was, except for maybe men's vb).

    So I'll correct it: what's the minimum composition of schools that would work for ND? Only they know for sure.

    I guess my question was more "Do any of those Jesuit non-football schools move the meter at all for ND?" I know they aren't enough alone, but how much do they matter?

    I think Marquette, Georgetown, and Villanova might matter. DePaul brings a Chicago game, but not much else anymore. St. John's keeps you in MSG once a year.

    Is there anyone ND could bring into the nuBE that would attract ND to stay? Xavier and Butler seem unlikely to entice ND to stay. And if Butler isn't an attraction, I question who would be among non-football programs.

    ChrispyWF ●

  • XrisTerp said...

    Please let us keep the Atlantic division with just 'Cuse being added. We would dominate playing home & home with Clemson/Wake/FSU/NCState & BC every year. Dear god.

    I doubt they would keep the Atlantic/Coastal split as is with UNC and Duke both on the Coastal side. That is going to be a major scheduling issue for all the Atlantic division teams; only getting 1 UNC/Duke game every year while the Coastal teams get 2 every year.

    But how do you fix it? A Duke-WF swap? Or are there larger divisional changes?

    Also, current ACC bylaws state the only options the ACC has for a sport are:
    1) Current Atlantic/Coastal divisions.
    2) No divisions.

    The bylaws do not currently allow for different divisions by sport.

    This post was edited by ChrispyWF on 10/19/2011 at 1:06 PM

    ChrispyWF ●

  • XrisTerp said...

    Please let us keep the Atlantic division with just 'Cuse being added. We would dominate playing home & home with Clemson/Wake/FSU/NCState & BC every year. Dear god.

    Sure beats the hell out of playing Pitt, Duke and UNC twice a year. This would be awesome. Hope we'd be able to get a huge road contingent for the annual game at the Carrier Dome.

    I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right?

    Omar Little ●

  • ChrispyWF said...

    I doubt they would keep the Atlantic/Coastal split as is with UNC and Duke both on the Coastal side. That is going to be a major scheduling issue for all the Atlantic division teams; only getting 1 UNC/Duke game every year while the Coastal teams get 2 every year.

    But how do you fix it? A Duke-WF swap? Or are there larger divisional changes?

    Also, current ACC bylaws state the only options the ACC has for a sport are: 1) Current Atlantic/Coastal divisions. 2) No divisions.

    The bylaws do not currently allow for different divisions by sport.

    At the same time do you think Duke & Carolina would give up their home & home every year?

    I think there's a better chance we just have Pitt and 'Cuse each added to a different division than entirely new divisions drawn up.

    At least I sure hope so... it would suck if we got stuck in a new "North" division with every ex-BigEast school.

    XrisTerp ●

  • XrisTerp said...

    At the same time do you think Duke & Carolina would give up their home & home every year?

    I think there's a better chance we just have Pitt and 'Cuse each added to a different division than entirely new divisions drawn up.

    At least I sure hope so... it would suck if we got stuck in a new "North" division with every ex-BigEast school.

    I think they would create a 20th league game to allow one cross-division H&H such as UNC and Duke.

    It would also avoid the issue of uneven home/road splits with 19 conference games.

    This post was edited by ChrispyWF on 10/19/2011 at 1:47 PM

    ChrispyWF ●

  • Two sources with direct knowledge of where the Big East stands, said that even if the league's expansion plan of bring in Air Force, Boise, Central Florida, Navy, Houston and SMU is executed, both Louisville and West Virginia still would leave for a spot in the Big 12.

    ***

    If the league goes to 12, BYU Louisville and West Virginia would all get invites. The Big East would then turn to Temple and hope Army can be convinced to join its football brethren. Most likely the Big East football conference will break and the league will go back to its basketball roots.

    Hmmm . . . Sounds like the Big East is pretty close to death.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/college/football/big_east_has_eye_on_big_H2Qeqiz4wATJuf6itEl7xI

    UCHTerp

  • UCHTerp said...

    Hmmm . . . Sounds like the Big East is pretty close to death.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/college/football/big_east_has_eye_on_big_H2Qeqiz4wATJuf6itEl7xI

    It makes sense, but I wish someone besides the NY Post was saying this.

    PoorMike

  • ChrispyWF said...

    I guess my question was more "Do any of those Jesuit non-football schools move the meter at all for ND?" I know they aren't enough alone, but how much do they matter?

    I think Marquette, Georgetown, and Villanova might matter. DePaul brings a Chicago game, but not much else anymore. St. John's keeps you in MSG once a year.

    Is there anyone ND could bring into the nuBE that would attract ND to stay? Xavier and Butler seem unlikely to entice ND to stay. And if Butler isn't an attraction, I question who would be among non-football programs.

    I don't just think it's about moving the meter. ND's AD budget is much larger than the Jesuits even if you allow for fb. Yeah, they'll all be able to hang in basketball, but what about the other sports?

    This post was edited by PoorMike on 10/19/2011 at 2:44 PM

    PoorMike

  • I do think it would be beneficial for Miami, FSU and the rest of the ACC if USF (and UCF, with respect to future possibility) were knocked out of the AQ universe. Having only three big-time programs in all of Florida is really unfair.

    Virginia Tech used to get a ton of 2nd tier/hidden gems out of Florida that now considers staying closer to home.

    BCiB

  • BCiB said...

    I do think it would be beneficial for Miami, FSU and the rest of the ACC if USF (and UCF, with respect to future possibility) were knocked out of the AQ universe. Having only three big-time programs in all of Florida is really unfair.

    Virginia Tech used to get a ton of 2nd tier/hidden gems out of Florida that now considers staying closer to home.

    This is why the Big 12 should go to twelve now and invite Louisville and WVU. With the rumors of the Big East inviting Houston and SMU do you think the Texas schools and Oklahoma and Oklahoma st. Want them in an AQ conference.

    jkrterp ●

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