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Conference Realignment Thread (Hopkins Seeks Conference)

  • PoorMike said...

    ...but everything is "now" for the moment. The Big East contract is up and it remains to be seen if a Big East football only member will get a lot more than a MW member. Is making a move "up" to the BE and a move down to the WCC worth it? Football-wise, Boise itself will be the Big East's top program. How much $$$ does a football only member expect to receive in that kind of conference?

    remember, the BE does not share revenue equally...the better the standings and bowl, the more you take home. I think that is the appeal for Boise.

    HumphreyBogart said... Jackie Robinson isn't dirty. This isn't Pack Pride.

    tcc_dc ●

  • StewieTerp said...

    That is the part that has me puzzled...it is now a lateral move at best for Boise and if teh MWC upgrades football just a little bit by adding the likes of Houston and SMU they could take the BE's bid when they eventually lose it. They are willing to f-up their entire athletic department to go after something which might not be there.

    You're right, if the MWC were smart they'd be making a play for Houston and SMU. However they've decided to combine with C-USA which according to Jerry Palm will decrease their chances at an auto-bid.

    Mountain West, C-USA Merger not BCS-Worthy - CBSSports.com

    Palm Readings - Mountain West, C-USA Merger not BCS-Worthy

    www.cbssports.com

    jsh ●

  • B12 looks like the BoD conference to me.

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    jsh ●

  • How successful has the Big 12 championship game been in the past? I tend to dislike the games, but I am an ACC fan and that game has usually been pretty lame with crappy ticket sales (and I'm guessing crappy ratings).

    So I'd assume the Big 12 goes back to 12 so they can have the championship game, but maybe Texas and OU haven't liked the game and want to keep it at 10 or 11. And maybe the TV partners don't like the game either? Obviously that decision has huge implications on the Big East. If the Big 12 goes back to 12, you have to assume Louisville is #1 choice and Cincinnati might be #2 or #3 (depending on what the feeling is on BYU at the time). It would be more "fair" for the Big 12 to make that decision now before this ridiculous SMU, Houston, Boise, etc. move.

    BCiB ●

  • I'm just happy we're going to live in a world where the Big Ten has 12 teams, the Big 12 has 10 teams, and Boise State plays football in the Big East and the rest of its sports in the Big West.

    hgoodman ●

  • jsh said...

    I don't think the MWC can steal the BE's bid, especially if they are merging with C-USA.

    As for whether or not the BCS exist, it'll still exist in one form or another. It may not be called the BCS and it may be a playoff but the power conferences will still have easy access to it and the non-AQ's will basically be shut out of it.


    ...you know, I take some of this back. I'm looking at the MW and it's awful. The Big east is basically just taking all the best teams from the MW and CUSA.

    I still think that a MW-CUSA league (assuming Boise and the rest stay) is still stronger than a Big East with Temple, Navy and a few teams other than the their present targets. Plus, if a playoff is started, the MW-CUSA winner would be a top 8 conference and the BE wouldn't be top 4 (ie: they are pretty much in the same boat auto-berth wise).

    PoorMike

  • BCiB said...

    How successful has the Big 12 championship game been in the past? I tend to dislike the games, but I am an ACC fan and that game has usually been pretty lame with crappy ticket sales (and I'm guessing crappy ratings).

    So I'd assume the Big 12 goes back to 12 so they can have the championship game, but maybe Texas and OU haven't liked the game and want to keep it at 10 or 11. And maybe the TV partners don't like the game either? Obviously that decision has huge implications on the Big East. If the Big 12 goes back to 12, you have to assume Louisville is #1 choice and Cincinnati might be #2 or #3 (depending on what the feeling is on BYU at the time). It would be more "fair" for the Big 12 to make that decision now before this ridiculous SMU, Houston, Boise, etc. move.

    It will all depend on the TV partners. When Colorado/Nebraska left, ESPN/Fox agreed to keep their payouts the same as long as the B12 went to 9 conference games in football and 18 conference games in basketball. I'm guessing that even though they lost Mizzou and A&M the networks will still keep the payouts the same for the rest of this contract. What they won't do is increase their payouts to accomodate an 11th team so the B12 isn't going to expand to 11.

    What happens in the future will depend on what ESPN/Fox/any other network wants. If they offer to pay more for 12 teams and a conference title game than the B12 will expand.

    jsh ●

  • hgoodman said...

    I'm just happy we're going to live in a world where the Big Ten has 12 teams, the Big 12 has 10 teams, and Boise State plays football in the Big East and the rest of its sports in the Big West.

    Stealing that

    neal990 ●

  • PoorMike said...

    ...you know, I take some of this back. I'm looking at the MW and it's awful. The Big east is basically just taking all the best teams from the MW and CUSA.

    I still think that a MW-CUSA league (assuming Boise and the rest stay) is still stronger than a Big East with Temple, Navy and a few teams other than the their present targets. Plus, if a playoff is started, the MW-CUSA winner would be a top 8 conference and the BE wouldn't be top 4 (ie: they are pretty much in the same boat auto-berth wise).

    Don't understand the top 8, top 4 thing. They're unlikely to expand auto-berths even if they go to a 8 or 16 team playoff. They'll just give the 6 (or 5) auto-bids and then the rest will be best available teams.

    A plus one system would basically be built around the BCS as it currently stands so having an AQ bid would still be important.

    jsh ●

  • wilnerhotline

    B12 decision to add 1 fits theory DeLoss conceded on TCU & TLN/preps in exchange for 10-team guarantee. (I haven't confirmed quid pro quo)

    jsh ●

  • jsh said...

    You're right, if the MWC were smart they'd be making a play for Houston and SMU. However they've decided to combine with C-USA which according to Jerry Palm will decrease their chances at an auto-bid.

    Yeah, that would be a better move. In fact it's basically what the BE is doing (taking the best teams from both). I've changed my mind: Boise would probably take the BE offer.

    The best move would be for this league to rise to 12 teams, separate from the bb only schools and have everyone be all-sport. That's really the tough spot for Boise, I think (asking them to take bb somewhere else).

    PoorMike

  • BradEdwards_BCS Brad Edwards

    Hard to see Big East holding on to BCS bid. They need teams fans want to watch in a BCS game. Boise alone won't do it.

    jsh ●

  • jsh said...

    Don't understand the top 8, top 4 thing. They're unlikely to expand auto-berths even if they go to a 8 or 16 team playoff. They'll just give the 6 (or 5) auto-bids and then the rest will be best available teams.

    A plus one system would basically be built around the BCS as it currently stands so having an AQ bid would still be important.

    If there's an 8 team playoff, I doubt there's more than 4 autos. If 16, they'll probably be 8. In that scheme, the BE is probably in the same boat with MW-CUSA (both in the 5-8 range).

    A plus-one BCS would just be based on rankings and not AQ's.

    PoorMike

  • PoorMike said...

    If there's an 8 team playoff, I doubt there's more than 4 autos. If 16, they'll probably be 8. In that scheme, the BE is probably in the same boat with MW-CUSA (both in the 5-8 range).

    A plus-one BCS would just be based on rankings and not AQ's.

    They're not going to reduce the number of AQ's unless there's more realignment. The ACC, B10, B12, P12 and SEC will all have AQ's in whatever system is created.

    I doubt they'll add more auto-bids even in a 16 team playoff since the goal of the power conferences will be to have as many bids as possible.

    A plus-one BCS will add an extra BCS bowl (Cotton) and will have 1-4 and 2-3 face off in 2 of the 5 BCS bowls. Than they'll meet in the NCG. There will still be an AQ bid to the BCS for the 5 power conferences and maybe the BE.

    This post was edited by jsh on 10/28/2011 at 10:52 AM

    jsh ●

  • Looks like the Big East schools are going to pay extra to get out early: http://twitter.com/#!/patricksouthern/statuses/129941093222588416

    Good news for Syracuse and Pitt, won't have to stick around the BoD for long.

    hgoodman ●

  • WVU has notified the BE it is withdrawing effective July 2012.

    Of course I never had any doubts WVU would end up in the Big 12. The only issue was Louisville actually offered to join and take less money than other members. The Big 12 briefly toyed with the idea that WVU may want to match that offer. Luck said no. Big 12 board voted again and wvu was admitted a second(and let's hope) a final time.

    Vote was without dissent(look it up in the dictionary eam).

    FWIW i do not see WVU ending either the Pitt or Terp series. It is not like the Big 12 is a murderer's row of tough teams. And I think WVU is on the rise again, though it will take 2-3 years under Dh for WVU to reach where it was under RROD.

    BTW WVU has destroyed OU the last 2 times we have played them. Once in Norman when OU was in top 10 and 35 point favorites and had Marcus Dupree. Game was not close and WVU set a scoring record at that time for most points ever scored in Norman. Maybe it still stands.. WVU will hold its own with Horns and OU. maybe not initially because Stew years really hurt, both on the field and recruiting. But down the road the Sooners have not heard the last of WVU.

    Many of Pitt's 58 "rushing attempts" were the result qb Tino Sunseri fleeing the pocket like a man whose clothes were on fire.

    Nolaeer

  • @Matt_HayesSN Another reality: Pitt and Syracuse will be playing in ACC in 2012. Bank on it.

    hgoodman ●

  • jsh said...

    They're not going to reduce the number of AQ's unless there's more realignment. The ACC, B10, B12, P12 and SEC will all have AQ's in whatever system is created.

    I doubt they'll add more auto-bids even in a 16 team playoff since the goal of the power conferences will be to have as many bids as possible.

    A plus-one BCS will add an extra BCS bowl (Cotton) and will have 1-4 and 2-3 face off in 2 of the 5 BCS bowls. Than they'll meet in the NCG. There will still be an AQ bid to the BCS for the 5 power conferences and maybe the BE.

    I don't equate what happens in the BCS with a playoff. An NCAA playoff will have different players and different motivating factors. The BCS is a business union of bowls and top 6 conferences. An NCAA 1-A playoff will have a different set of constituents. I don't think an NCAA playoff of 8 teams will have more than 4 auto berths. An NCAA playoff of 16 teams would probably have 8 (like the 1-AA playoffs did when they had 16).

    A plus-one BCS would matchup the 1-4 and 2-3 regardless of whether the top 4 are in an AQ conference.

    PoorMike

  • hgoodman said...

    @Matt_HayesSN Another reality: Pitt and Syracuse will be playing in ACC in 2012. Bank on it.

    $21M for an immediate exit? Even as an ACC fan I'd tell them to pass on that.

    PoorMike

  • GAterrapin said...

    I'm not sold that all these teams are ready to jump onto the sinking ship that is the Big East. Invites =/= acceptances and the Big East has completely mis-managed this enough that I think they're totally capable of screwing up enough to publicly invite someone that has no intention of joining. Especially since there's at least a reasonable chance that the B12 plucks L'ville in a season or two as part of a move to 12 teams.

    yeah, I don't see how the BE can keep their AQ.. in the past 7 years they have lost now 6 of their best football schools..the new BE will not be much, if any, better than the Mountain West, etc

    FirstCoastTerp ●

  • Nolaeer said...

    WVU has notified the BE it is withdrawing effective July 2012.

    Of course I never had any doubts WVU would end up in the Big 12. The only issue was Louisville actually offered to join and take less money than other members. The Big 12 briefly toyed with the idea that WVU may want to match that offer. Luck said no. Big 12 board voted again and wvu was admitted a second(and let's hope) a final time.

    Vote was without dissent(look it up in the dictionary eam).

    FWIW i do not see WVU ending either the Pitt or Terp series. It is not like the Big 12 is a murderer's row of tough teams. And I think WVU is on the rise again, though it will take 2-3 years under Dh for WVU to reach where it was under RROD.

    BTW WVU has destroyed OU the last 2 times we have played them. Once in Norman when OU was in top 10 and 35 point favorites and had Marcus Dupree. Game was not close and WVU set a scoring record at that time for most points ever scored in Norman. Maybe it still stands.. WVU will hold its own with Horns and OU. maybe not initially because Stew years really hurt, both on the field and recruiting. But down the road the Sooners have not heard the last of WVU.

    GTFO...you cannot even beat Cuse and you are talking about the Big 12 not being murderer's row...

    You will never sniff the BCS again...good luck getting your FL players to go to a league where they never get close to a home game...but congrats..you have opened the mighty Kansas and Iowa recruiting areas....

    HumphreyBogart said... Jackie Robinson isn't dirty. This isn't Pack Pride.

    tcc_dc ●

  • Nolaeer said...

    WVU has notified the BE it is withdrawing effective July 2012.

    Of course I never had any doubts WVU would end up in the Big 12. The only issue was Louisville actually offered to join and take less money than other members. The Big 12 briefly toyed with the idea that WVU may want to match that offer. Luck said no. Big 12 board voted again and wvu was admitted a second(and let's hope) a final time.

    Vote was without dissent(look it up in the dictionary eam).

    FWIW i do not see WVU ending either the Pitt or Terp series. It is not like the Big 12 is a murderer's row of tough teams. And I think WVU is on the rise again, though it will take 2-3 years under Dh for WVU to reach where it was under RROD.

    BTW WVU has destroyed OU the last 2 times we have played them. Once in Norman when OU was in top 10 and 35 point favorites and had Marcus Dupree. Game was not close and WVU set a scoring record at that time for most points ever scored in Norman. Maybe it still stands.. WVU will hold its own with Horns and OU. maybe not initially because Stew years really hurt, both on the field and recruiting. But down the road the Sooners have not heard the last of WVU.

    LOL...look who comes crawling back. How about making up more stories about how WVU turned down the B12 before. lol

    jsh ●

  • PoorMike said...

    I don't equate what happens in the BCS with a playoff. An NCAA playoff will have different players and different motivating factors. The BCS is a business union of bowls and top 6 conferences. An NCAA 1-A playoff will have a different set of constituents. I don't think an NCAA playoff of 8 teams will have more than 4 auto berths. An NCAA playoff of 16 teams would probably have 8 (like the 1-AA playoffs did when they had 16).

    A plus-one BCS would matchup the 1-4 and 2-3 regardless of whether the top 4 are in an AQ conference.

    The NCAA will not choose what happens in football. The 5 power conferences aren't going to agree to a system where they lose power.

    BCS matchup would still have 1-4 and 2-3 regardless of AQ but the AQs would still have guaranteed slots in one of the non-plus-one BCS bowls.

    jsh ●

  • slmandel

    Geography aside, Big 12 upgraded w/ WVU for Mizzou. Better teams, better fan support. And TV sets don't matter when you have Texas and OU.

    jsh ●

  • tcc_dc said...

    GTFO...you cannot even beat Cuse and you are talking about the Big 12 not being murderer's row...

    You will never sniff the BCS again...good luck getting your FL players to go to a league where they never get close to a home game...but congrats..you have opened the mighty Kansas and Iowa recruiting areas....

    I said WVU will need a couple years to recover from Stew. Though we still beat terps on the road and their mighty head coach. That was our head coaches 1st road game.

    WVU is already recruiting Texas. Has been for a couple of years. Obviously will pick up a lot of steam now. DH beat out Horns and Aggies head to head for a qb there named childress. And his dad played for aggies and houston oilers.

    WVU needs linemen, and DH has A LOT coming in. But as I said, it will take a couple of years. It would not surprise me to see many of our defensive staff replaced with guys with strong texas ties.

    All that said, WVU will continue to recruit florida, Pa, ohio, and md well. better. The parents can still make the home games. As for Florida i think uSF will be number 12 for the Big 12, not cinn. Wait and see. Texas and OU likely covet the recruiting there as well. And while Tampa is not much of a market compared to what WVU brings to the table with its national brand, it is nothing to sneeze at.

    Many of Pitt's 58 "rushing attempts" were the result qb Tino Sunseri fleeing the pocket like a man whose clothes were on fire.

    Nolaeer

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