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Conference Realignment Thread (Hopkins Seeks Conference)

  • Hey! JMU! said...

    Spike,

    I actually thought as the conferences stand now, the Southern might be able to poach CAA schools. Not the other way around. I doubt they accept, and I'm surprised the CAA hasn't offered Stony Brook.

    I thought the two leagues were mostly on even terms, with the CAA's instability mitigated by its current cash-on-hand and TV/digital deal with NBC Sports. Individual schools make their own decisions, though, so here we are.

    The problem with the SoCon is that everyone knows Appy and Georgia Southern want to join an FBS league. The underlying issue is what school(s) would replace them in the league. You basically have a bloc of small private schools and The Citadel on one side, and the larger state schools on the other.

    I think Davidson would only join the CAA if either Elon or Furman went too. I don't think the CofC is necessarily tied into that group. I could see the CofC leaving on its own, honestly. If the SoCon only lost the CofC, it would not be a major loss as long as a potential replacement was satisfactory to Davidson/Furman/etc.

    Elon is the wild card among the private schools in the SoCon, as the people running it are very ambitious and have raised a lot of money.

    Conference realignment, SoCon style: some actual news (Mercer, ETSU, and VMI?) and a little speculation http://wp.me/plDgR-1jv

    SandlapperSpike

  • SandlapperSpike said...

    That's where its non-football sports would be as of right now, but that league is going to be rancid. After the 2012-13 school year, its lineup is slated to be:

    Denver (no football) Seattle Idaho New Mexico State Boise State (no football)

    Barring a bunch of FCS schools joining the league, my guess is that the WAC will be dead as a football conference. If that happens, I expect Idaho to drop down to FCS and re-join the Big Sky. The other schools reportedly in the mix to join the WAC are Utah Valley State and Cal State Bakersfield (and possibly UT-Pan Am).

    Boise State would like to park its non-football sports in the Big West, but that league isn't interested. Boise was hoping San Diego State (which is going to move its other sports to the Big West) could help it out, but so far SDSU hasn't been able to help.

    Isn't there a rule that you can't have football and basketball in separate conferences if both conferences sponsor football? If so, Boise can't be picky.

    Besides that, BSU should have known that their non-football sports weren't coveted by other conferences when they decided to jump to the Big East.

    PoorMike

  • SandlapperSpike said...

    The problem with the SoCon is that everyone knows Appy and Georgia Southern want to join an FBS league. The underlying issue is what school(s) would replace them in the league.

    My guess would be MEAC or Big South schools unless there is another conference you know of that they can poach from. Norfolk State would be a really good addition for the SoCon, and my bias would say Coastal Carolina. Both schools add a lot in all sports. I know Coastal wants out of the big south bad and will more than likely end up in either the CAA or SoCon depending on who moves where or doesn't move. UNCW fits better in the current SoCon than the CAA, but they aren't moving any time soon.

    coastalTerp

  • coastalTerp said...

    My guess would be MEAC or Big South schools unless there is another conference you know of that they can poach from. Norfolk State would be a really good addition for the SoCon, and my bias would say Coastal Carolina. Both schools add a lot in all sports. I know Coastal wants out of the big south bad and will more than likely end up in either the CAA or SoCon depending on who moves where or doesn't move. UNCW fits better in the current SoCon than the CAA, but they aren't moving any time soon.

    The only historically D1 black college that I know of that's in a conference with schools that aren't historically black is Tennessee State. It would be interesting to see that happen again.

    PoorMike

  • Yeah, I am not saying it will happen, and I don't think any MEAC school is even in rumours at this point. But, it would be fun to see, and big picture could be a good move for both. But, I also have no clue on the academic stand point of any of the MEAC schools and if they fit with the SoCon. They are just a conference that is in the same region as other SoCon schools, and outside of them it is the Big South or CAA.

    This post was edited by coastalTerp on 6/23/2012 at 5:12 PM

    coastalTerp

  • There is no MEAC school that would fit in the SoCon, and at any rate I don't think there is a MEAC school that wants to leave its league, with the possible exception of Delaware State.

    There is also no Big South school that would be able to get enough votes from current SoCon members for admission, other than perhaps VMI. If the makeup of the SoCon were to dramatically change, then maybe that would change too.

    Conference realignment, SoCon style: some actual news (Mercer, ETSU, and VMI?) and a little speculation http://wp.me/plDgR-1jv

    SandlapperSpike

  • Do you have guess on who they would add in only lossing 1 or 2 schools or would they not add anyone? I am just not seeing where they get schools from outside of the BS. If they just lose CofC and Davidson I guess they really wouldn't need to add any schools.

    coastalTerp

  • PoorMike said...

    Isn't there a rule that you can't have football and basketball in separate conferences if both conferences sponsor football? If so, Boise can't be picky.

    Besides that, BSU should have known that their non-football sports weren't coveted by other conferences when they decided to jump to the Big East.

    1) it's not that you can't:
    20.02.6 Football Bowl Subdivision Conference.
    A conference classified as a Football Bowl Subdivision Conference shall be comprised of at least eight full Football Bowl Subdivision members that satisfy all bowl subdivision requirements. An institution shall be included as one of the eight full Football Bowl Subdivision members only if the institution participates in the conference schedule in at least six men’s and eight women’s conference-sponsored sports, including men’s basketball and football and three women’s team sports including women’s basketball. A conference-sponsored sport shall be a sport in which regular-season and/or championship opportunities are provided, consistent with the minimum standards identified by the applicable NCAA sport committee for automatic qualification. (Adopted: 10/31/02 effective 8/1/05, Revised: 12/15/06)
    20.02.6.1 Exception.
    A Football Bowl Subdivision member institution shall be permitted to count as one of its required six men’s sports and one of its required eight women’s sports a sport in which its conference does not sponsor or conduct a championship, provided the sport is one in which it participates in another Division I multi- or single-sport conference. Different sports may be counted for men and women.
    (Adopted: 4/29/04 effective 8/1/05, Revised: 12/15/06)
    20.02.6.2 Grace Period.
    A conference shall continue to be considered a Football Bowl Subdivision conference for two years following the date when it fails to satisfy the eight full Football Bowl Subdivision member requirement due to one or more of its member’s failure to comply with the bowl subdivision membership requirements. (Adopted: 4/28/05 effective 8/1/05, Revised: 12/15/06

    2) Boise State did know. What they didn't know is that the WAC would fall apart so quickly.

    Unknown Titlke

    http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D112.pdf

    www.ncaapublications.com

    letsgoterps ●

  • coastalTerp said...

    Do you have guess on who they would add in only lossing 1 or 2 schools or would they not add anyone? I am just not seeing where they get schools from outside of the BS. If they just lose CofC and Davidson I guess they really wouldn't need to add any schools.

    If the SoCon just lost the hoops schools, it could be patient and picky. Losing a football-playing school would be a dicier situation.

    I don't have any special insight, but I think schools on the list would include VMI, Mercer, and East Tennessee State.

    Conference realignment, SoCon style: some actual news (Mercer, ETSU, and VMI?) and a little speculation http://wp.me/plDgR-1jv

    SandlapperSpike

  • I could see Socon going after Richmond or W&M. Richmond has no connection to the CAA outside of football. Would Socon take a football only school? W&M would like to to where JMU and Delaware go, as they don't consider ODU, VCU and GMU to be rivalries, but if JMU/UD somehow go FBS, I don't see W&M making the jump and would be a good addition.

    Hey JMU6375

  • Hey! JMU! said...

    I could see Socon going after Richmond or W&M. Richmond has no connection to the CAA outside of football. Would Socon take a football only school? W&M would like to to where JMU and Delaware go, as they don't consider ODU, VCU and GMU to be rivalries, but if JMU/UD somehow go FBS, I don't see W&M making the jump and would be a good addition.

    I think W&M in that scenario would be more interested in the Patriot League (maybe in any scenario, actually). I don't think the SoCon wants a football-only school, so no to Richmond (which, like W&M, was a SoCon member for many years).

    The SoCon would take William & Mary, though, no question. Would be exactly what the smaller school cohort wants.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by SandlapperSpike on 6/23/2012 at 9:08 PM

    Conference realignment, SoCon style: some actual news (Mercer, ETSU, and VMI?) and a little speculation http://wp.me/plDgR-1jv

    SandlapperSpike

  • Nobody in FBS wants JMU and I don't think Delaware has ever wanted to make the jump, although they would if they have to. App State is more the key in all of this. If they leave then it will be open season on some of those SoCon schools for the CAA. The CAA would love to have Davidson, Georgia Southern, and potentially Elon. Richmond would like to tie its football fortunates to WM but I honestly think we secretly would love to leave them in the dust.

    WM is in a good position because of the academics, a pretty good football history and a decent fan base. The fanbase doesn't want the Patriot league but the school might want to align academically with those schools, but we could end up virtually anywhere.

    To be honest, the CAA would have been much better off just moving as a conference up to FBS. ODU has great potential as a program but they are now stuck in a league with zero natural rivalries. JMU would love to make a move but their potential as a FCS school is low. UMass moving up is a joke, they get little support. Towson is probably the only school here that could be looking at a serious downgrade if things go south.

    WMTerp12

  • WMTerp12 said...

    UMass moving up is a joke, they get little support.

    UMass didn't even finish in the top 30 in FCS home attendance last season. It averaged fewer fans than (among others) The Citadel, Furman, and William & Mary.

    Conference realignment, SoCon style: some actual news (Mercer, ETSU, and VMI?) and a little speculation http://wp.me/plDgR-1jv

    SandlapperSpike

  • Just a quick update: legendary oracle "TheDudeofWV" is now saying that FSU, Clemson, Georgia Tech, and Maryland all want out of the ACC and into the Big XII.

    I know Terp fans can't wait to make road trips to Ames, Waco, Lubbock, Stillwater, and the little Apple...

    Conference realignment, SoCon style: some actual news (Mercer, ETSU, and VMI?) and a little speculation http://wp.me/plDgR-1jv

    SandlapperSpike

  • Any reason Frank the Tank tweeted this yesterday besides the playoff?

    Frank the Tank ‏@frankthetank111

    Seems like a number of people that believed that the ACC was getting poached by the Big 12 are backtracking today. Shocker!

    jsh ●

  • SandlapperSpike said...

    UMass didn't even finish in the top 30 in FCS home attendance last season. It averaged fewer fans than (among others) The Citadel, Furman, and William & Mary.

    Not sure if you're arguing or agreeing with me there? But yea they suck.

    WMTerp12

  • jsh said...

    Any reason Frank the Tank tweeted this yesterday besides the playoff?

    Frank the Tank ‏@frankthetank111

    Seems like a number of people that believed that the ACC was getting poached by the Big 12 are backtracking today. Shocker!

    I could be off, but wasn't Frank the Tank also insinuating that the B12 was going to add FSU/Clemson? At least i can feel 100% confident that any rumor involving Maryland having an "interest" in joining the B12 is complete junk.

    NJTerpfan1 ●

  • For the most part he's been telling people it's not going to happen. He started to get shaky after the BOT fiasco at FSU.

    jsh ●

  • WMTerp12 said...

    Not sure if you're arguing or agreeing with me there? But yea they suck.

    Agreeing.

    Conference realignment, SoCon style: some actual news (Mercer, ETSU, and VMI?) and a little speculation http://wp.me/plDgR-1jv

    SandlapperSpike

  • NJTerpfan1 said...

    I could be off, but wasn't Frank the Tank also insinuating that the B12 was going to add FSU/Clemson? At least i can feel 100% confident that any rumor involving Maryland having an "interest" in joining the B12 is complete junk.

    Frank actually thought an FSU-Clemson move would be incredibly shortsighted and run counter to every other move thus far.

    thesieve ●

  • thesieve said...

    Frank actually thought an FSU-Clemson move would be incredibly shortsighted and run counter to every other move thus far.

    Thanks for the clarification.... it's amazing, how it appears that one dope pretending to be an insider, created such a frenzy amongst FSU fans....

    NJTerpfan1 ●

  • SandlapperSpike said...

    That's where its non-football sports would be as of right now, but that league is going to be rancid. After the 2012-13 school year, its lineup is slated to be:

    Denver (no football) Seattle Idaho New Mexico State Boise State (no football)

    Barring a bunch of FCS schools joining the league, my guess is that the WAC will be dead as a football conference. If that happens, I expect Idaho to drop down to FCS and re-join the Big Sky. The other schools reportedly in the mix to join the WAC are Utah Valley State and Cal State Bakersfield (and possibly UT-Pan Am).

    Boise State would like to park its non-football sports in the Big West, but that league isn't interested. Boise was hoping San Diego State (which is going to move its other sports to the Big West) could help it out, but so far SDSU hasn't been able to help.

    Doesn't Seattle lack a football team as well?

    letsgoterps ●

  • letsgoterps said...

    Doesn't Seattle lack a football team as well?

    Yes. The only two schools in that grouping with football teams are Idaho and New Mexico State.

    Conference realignment, SoCon style: some actual news (Mercer, ETSU, and VMI?) and a little speculation http://wp.me/plDgR-1jv

    SandlapperSpike

  • Interesting memo by Chuck Neinas obtained by the The Oklahoman:

    "Neinas' response: “Our television partners agreed that the only new member that would enhance the Big 12 value for television was Notre Dame.”

    Big 12 interim commissioner Chuck Neinas: Notre Dame the only school that would add TV value | NewsOK.com

    Notre Dame in the Big 12? Don't shrug it off too quickly. It's been assumed the conference has looked into adding the Irish. Now there's proof.

    newsok.com

    ChrispyWF

  • ChrispyWF said...

    Interesting memo by Chuck Neinas obtained by the The Oklahoman:

    "Neinas' response: “Our television partners agreed that the only new member that would enhance the Big 12 value for television was Notre Dame.”

    lol...if they are talking about taking Loiusville, you know where that POS conference is all about

    HumphreyBogart said... Jackie Robinson isn't dirty. This isn't Pack Pride.

    tcc_dc

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