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We are now officially a banana republic.

  • SATerp said...

    The Justice Dept is being dragged over the coals for this screwup, and nobody wants to give big turtle the credit for covering it? Yeah, he has a point of view many of you don't like...that's your problem.

    I'd like to see a whole lot fewer hare-brained projects like this from our government at all levels. But let's just pretend they don't happen (unless a Republican comes up with them). That's a really good plan.

    If it had been a liberal linking to leftist blog after leftist blog about corrupt Repubs then it would have been just fine to talk about around here.

    Welcome to Liberal BUBBLE WORLD, boys and girls!!! whistling

    bbpgtr

  • bbpgtr said...

    If it had been a liberal linking to leftist blog after leftist blog about corrupt Repubs then it would have been just fine to talk about around here.

    Welcome to Liberal BUBBLE WORLD, boys and girls!!! whistling

    Really? Because I'm pretty sure we ran off the uber-liberals who posted dumb, partisan stuff by continually making fun of them too. Link to liberal linking of leftist blog after leftist blog on this forum?

    terps99

  • From the conservative bastion ABC

    The operation took a tragic toll when two weapons found on the scene where Border Patrol agent Brian Terry was murdered were linked to the ATF program.

    April 28, 2009 file photo in Houston. Melson is facing pressure to resign over a poorly run gun-trafficking operation blamed for putting weapons in the hands of a border agent's killers. Melson has been acting director of ATF since April 2009. Before that he oversaw the Executive Office of U.S. Attorneys and was a long-time career prosecutor in Eastern District of Virginia.

    Reports that Melson may be forced to resign were first reported today by the Wall Street Journal.

    The ATF agents testified they had serious reservations about orders not to arrest known straw purchasers, even though the guns were going to drug cartels, and to stop monitoring individuals who had illegally purchased high powered rifles including AK-47s and .50 caliber rifles. Heavily armed drug cartels have been blamed for the killings of more than 34,000 people in Mexico since 2006.

    This post was edited by bigturtle on 6/20/2011 at 5:06 PM

    ATF Chief Under Fire in Wake of Shooting

    Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives acting Director Kenneth Melson is facing pressure to resign over a poorly run gun-trafficking operation blamed for putting weapons in the hands of a border agent's killers.

    abcnews.go.com

    For such a time as this.

    bigturtle

  • I'm confused. Does this mean ABC has stopped caring that Obama is an AfroAmerican? How am I supposed to feel about this without the aid of commentary about Oblummer?!

    terps99

  • terps99 said...

    I'm confused.

    Yes you are. I agree totally.

    For such a time as this.

    bigturtle

  • TortugaGrande said...

    yep. Some by choice, some by force. they mostly post on scout now. It amuses me to no end when the pubs here complain they are censored.

    By your standards we would not have talked about Iran/Contra or Watergate.
    Somehow I dont believe that for a minute.

    This post was edited by bigturtle on 6/20/2011 at 5:19 PM

    For such a time as this.

    bigturtle

  • OMG!!! LIBURAL MEDIA CNN IS TURNING ON THE AFRO-AMERICAN!1!
    http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/06/20/us.fast.and.furious/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

    terps99

  • Big Cinci

    mattw75

  • mattw75 said...

    Big Cinci

    Wait, seriously? The answer wouldn't surprise me either way ...

    terps99

  • bigturtle I'm a fan of your work and would love if you would start a thread on this board called "Ask bigturtle anything". Then you could pick and choose which questions to answer.

    It could be great.

    This post was edited by mattw75 on 6/20/2011 at 7:13 PM

    mattw75

  • terps99 said...

    OMG!!! LIBURAL MEDIA CNN IS TURNING ON THE AFRO-AMERICAN!1! http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/06/20/us.fast.and.furious/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

    So your feeling good about yourself?
    How progresive you are.

    For such a time as this.

    bigturtle

  • mattw75 said...

    bigturtle I'm a fan of your work and would love if you would start a thread on this board called "Ask bigturtle anything". Then you could pick and choose which questions to answer.

    It could be great.

    You guys couldnt afford me.

    For such a time as this.

    bigturtle

  • Back on topic, here's a neat summary of events from a conservative blog:

    Power Line - Fast and Furious Backpedaling at the Department of Justice

    We haven't written much about the Operation Fast and Furious scandal, which reportedly is about to lead to the resignation...

    www.powerlineblog.com

    SATerp

  • This is one of those classic stories where the severity of the mistake requires those at the highest levels getting fired over it, but sometimes those who are most central to the stupidity and/or criminality somehow escape public shaming. They should publicly name the morons who thought this would be a good idea and/or promoted it and/or ignored the warnings (and of course, the people at the top need to get fired as well, since they plainly seem to have known about this policy).

    terps99

  • bigturtle said...

    You guys couldnt afford me.

    Well that's not very nice!

    mattw75


  • Iran-Contra was much, much worse than this. Okay, that's all.

    Fwah Grah

  • ConGOTERPS said...

    Sorta like O'Bumble beating his chest and telling the world that when we got Bin Laden, we had a safe house right by OBL's compound where we had observed him for several months. So the Pakistanis went to that safe house and grabbed the owner and 4 others who had helped the US and "questioned them", and you can just bet it's not by squirting Perrier up their noses. Then comes the NYT to tell the Pakistanis that there were more than 5 folks who aided the US in operation Geronimo, so nanananana

    No, it's not like that at all, actually.

    HooEver

  • The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms is being accused of retaliating against an agent who helped publicize the agency’s role in allowing thousands of guns to cross the U.S. border and fall into the hands of Mexican drug gangs.

    The agent, Vince Cefalu, who has spoken out about the ATF's so-called "Project Gunrunner" scandal, says he was served with termination papers just last week, and he calls the move politically motivated.

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/06/27/atf-to-fire-gunrunner-whistleblower/#ixzz1QalEgGHD

    'Project Gunrunner' Whistleblower Says ATF Sent Him Termination Notice - FoxNews.com

    The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms is being accused of retaliating against an agent who helped publicize the agency’s role in allowing thousands of guns to cross the U.S. border and fall into the hands of Mexican drug gangs.

    www.foxnews.com

    For such a time as this.

    bigturtle

  • bigturtle said...

    The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms is being accused of retaliating against an agent who helped publicize the agency’s role in allowing thousands of guns to cross the U.S. border and fall into the hands of Mexican drug gangs.

    The agent, Vince Cefalu, who has spoken out about the ATF's so-called "Project Gunrunner" scandal, says he was served with termination papers just last week, and he calls the move politically motivated.

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/06/27/atf-to-fire-gunrunner-whistleblower/#ixzz1QalEgGHD

    This is obviously all Obama's fault.

    blindgaryhomer

  • blindgaryhomer said...

    This is obviously all Obama's fault.

    Whisleblowers get wacked no matter what side of the fence they are on.
    Its a fact of life that perpetuates no matter how many laws there are to protect them.

    For such a time as this.

    bigturtle

  • blindgaryhomer said...

    This is obviously all Obama's fault.

    BTW how are you with the transparency of this administration?

    For such a time as this.

    bigturtle

  • I'm curious how you feel about wikileaks ...

    terps99

  • terps99 said...

    I'm curious how you feel about wikileaks ...

    Gee help me out here.
    I start a thread about Gunnrunner and you want to ask questions on wikileaks?
    Obama ran on having the most transparent presidency in the history of this country, how would you rate him on that?
    Wiki leaks is different in this regard, Bush did not run on transparency but more importantly. American lives were in jeopardy by wikileaks.American lives are not in jeopardy by the release of Gunrunner.
    I voted for Bush hoping he was who he said he was. He was not. Obama is not who he says he is, just wondering how long it will take you to figure that out.
    So let me ask you a direct question, what will it take for you to stop drinking the Kool Aid?

    For such a time as this.

    bigturtle

  • bigturtle said...

    Gee help me out here. I start a thread about Gunnrunner and you want to ask questions on wikileaks? Obama ran on having the most transparent presidency in the history of this country, how would you rate him on that? Wiki leaks is different in this regard, Bush did not run on transparency but more importantly. American lives were in jeopardy by wikileaks.American lives are not in jeopardy by the release of Gunrunner. I voted for Bush hoping he was who he said he was. He was not. Obama is not who he says he is, just wondering how long it will take you to figure that out. So let me ask you a direct question, what will it take for you to stop drinking the Kool Aid?

    You made multiple posts about a guy getting fired ... someone who was fired ostensibly for leaking information ... information that was nonetheless in the public interest to reveal ... I was just curious about your thoughts on wikileaks given the dynamic.

    As for the rest, you're one of the biggest partisan hacks who posts around these parts, so I'm not really sure your drinking the Obama Kool Aid comment deserves much of a response. My posts on this thread alone (despite my focus on your extreme rhetoric) make clear that I think everyone responsible should be fired for the stupidity of this plan.

    terps99

  • terps99 said...

    You made multiple posts about a guy getting fired ... someone who was fired ostensibly for leaking information ... information that was nonetheless in the public interest to reveal ... I was just curious about your thoughts on wikileaks given the dynamic.

    As for the rest, you're one of the biggest partisan hacks who posts around these parts, so I'm not really sure your drinking the Obama Kool Aid comment deserves much of a response. My posts on this thread alone (despite my focus on your extreme rhetoric) make clear that I think everyone responsible should be fired for the stupidity of this plan.

    I made one post of a whistleblower getting fired.
    1=/=multiple.
    Information that risked no one's life.

    So you continually come on to ask me a question, but refuse to answer mine.
    Kinda one way I think.

    This post was edited by bigturtle on 6/29/2011 at 6:40 AM

    For such a time as this.

    bigturtle