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Virginia on verge of giving rights to fetuses (lol @ virginia)

  • PaulUMD said...

    Judges who do things the founding fathers wouldn't like.

    Fixed

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    • NYCTerp05 said...

      Fixed

      Like not owning slaves?

        bkmalik

      • Abortion would not be illegal if Roe were overturned.

        Roe is bad law. Precedent only goes so far - the whole fiction of some kind of super-stare decisis is silly. If another Alito-type were confirmed, which certainly doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility in a Romney administration with a Republican senate (again, assuming that happens which is possible if not probable), then who knows?

          BCiB

        • BCiB said...

          Roe is bad law. Precedent only goes so far - the whole fiction of some kind of super-stare decisis is silly.

          Except that even the Chief Justice, who by all accounts is a strong conservative and whose wife is a major campaigner against abortion, believes that Roe is "some kind of super-stare decisis."

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          Supreme Court confirmation hearing:

          SEN. SPECTER: “Judge Roberts, in your confirmation hearing for the circuit court you testified: ‘Roe is the settled law of the land.’ Do you mean settled for you, settled only for your capacity as a circuit judge, or settled beyond that?”

          ROBERTS: “Well, beyond that. It’s settled as a precedent of the court, entitled to respect under principles of stare decisis. And those principles, applied in the Casey case, explain when cases should be revisited and when they should not. And it is settled as a precedent of the court, yes."

          SPECTER: "You went on to say then, ‘It’s a little more than settled. It was reaffirmed in the face of a challenge that it should be overruled in the Casey decision, so it has added precedental value.’"

          ROBERTS: "I think the initial question for the judge confronting an issue in this area, you don’t go straight to the Roe decision. You begin with Casey, which modified the Roe framework and reaffirmed its central holding."

          This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by terps99 on 2/16/2012 at 10:12 AM

            terps99

          • Wait a minute...next thing you're going to tell me is that repubublicans are going to next be against birth control....

            Racing towards the 1920's.

              9/21/2010...RIP Old IMS.

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            • I would expect nothing less from a Hogan attorney in a confirmation hearing. Means nothing to me. What did you expect him to say?

                BCiB

              • who knew the board's biggest social conservative would come from a jewish guy from new york with his own propensity to sodomy

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                • RDurr said...

                  who knew the board's biggest social conservative would come from a jewish guy from new york with his own propensity to sodomy

                  wait, what?

                    http://bit.ly/marylandcrew

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                  • BCiB said...

                    I would expect nothing less from a Hogan attorney in a confirmation hearing. Means nothing to me. What did you expect him to say?

                    If you can't/don't see the difference between his approach and views on abortion/Roe/Casey and Thomas' views on that topic, I'm not really sure what to tell you. In my mind, there's little chance Roberts votes to overturn Roe if that same issue magically comes up before the court again next year.

                      terps99

                    • Roberts made his view on stare decisis clear in citizens united. He respects it, but it is not controlling, and he will reject precedent if the facts and law demand it. the "mechanical formula" stuff was telling .... I have no doubt he would vote to overturn Roe. Still need one more, so probably a moot point regardless anytime soon.

                      hopefully in my lifetime.

                      and what does this have to do with Thomas? obviously Roberts views on the subject are more nuanced or veiled.

                      This post was edited by BCiB on 2/16/2012 at 7:58 PM

                        BCiB

                      • I disagree that he would vote to overturn Roe tomorrow, but doubt we'll ever find out. Personally, I'm interested to see Roberts' views on the gay marriage cases that are going to go up this turn. I have money (with odds) on Roberts surprising everyone and not voting with the conservative block on that one. I'm not sure he wants to be known as the Chief Justice whose court voted against gay marriage and was on the wrong side of history.

                          terps99

                        • Kaisersayzo said...

                          Wait a minute...next thing you're going to tell me is that repubublicans are going to next be against birth control....

                          Racing towards the 1920's.

                          does that mean that democrats are against the first amendment? i mean if we're just going to say stupid shit and all.

                            Phatboy if you had any balls I'd meet you at the AFA Boxing gym and have Coach Weichers put some gloves on us.

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                          • Well, to be fair, the guy who is arguably the current leader for the Republican nomination (and the runaway leader in the "conservative" clubhouse) really is against birth control...

                              terps99

                            • ok, then democrats really are against the first amendment. whatever, everybody loves love a good broad brush.

                                Phatboy if you had any balls I'd meet you at the AFA Boxing gym and have Coach Weichers put some gloves on us.

                                phatphelix

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                              • terps99 said...

                                Well, to be fair, the guy who is arguably the current leader for the Republican nomination (and the runaway leader in the "conservative" clubhouse) really is against birth control...

                                i think Santorum has been quite clear that he supports the right for women to use birth control, even if he and his wife have made the personal choice not to

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                                • NYCTerp05 said...

                                  i think Santorum has been quite clear that he supports the right for women to use birth control, even if he and his wife have made the personal choice not to

                                  {In an October interview with the evangelical blog Caffeinated Thoughts, Santorum volunteers that, as president, he'd confront the "dangers of contraception" and religious groups who think it's OK. "It's not OK, because it's a license to do things in the sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be," he says. "They're supposed to be within marriage, for purposes that are, yes, conjugal... but also procreative. " }

                                  Yes, that is crystal clear that he supports rights for birth control.

                                  Rick Santorum: Birth Control Is 'Not OK' - Video surfaces of Santorum decrying moral hazards of protected sex

                                  Rick Santorum thinks contraceptive use is wrong and a danger to the country, he declares in a video clip thats racing across the blogosphere today. In an October interview with the evangelical blog... Politics News Summaries. | Newser

                                  www.newser.com

                                    I don't know what you mean, but it had the cadence of a joke.

                                    GhostOfEaston

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                                  • As we all know, fetuses are some sort of undefined plant life until Obama and other leftists say they're human, and so should not have any rights. If only they were animals, we could get PETA to stand up for them.

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                                    • GhostOfEaston said...

                                      {In an October interview with the evangelical blog Caffeinated Thoughts, Santorum volunteers that, as president, he'd confront the "dangers of contraception" and religious groups who think it's OK. "It's not OK, because it's a license to do things in the sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be," he says. "They're supposed to be within marriage, for purposes that are, yes, conjugal... but also procreative. " }

                                      Yes, that is crystal clear that he supports rights for birth control.

                                      from the left-leaning Huff Post:

                                      "Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum said on Wednesday that, despite his personal opposition to contraception, he wouldn't work to limit its accessibility if elected president."

                                      "If you look at my voting record, I have a voting record that supports ... funding for contraception, both domestically, as well as internationally,” Santorum continued, according to a transcript from NewsMax. "And I would not support any law that would put any restrictions on that."

                                      Rick Santorum: Contraception 'Should Be Available' Unless Religious Organizations Object

                                      Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum said on Wednesday that, despite his personal opposition to contraception, he wouldnHow do I feel about the issue of contraception?

                                      www.huffingtonpost.com

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                                        This post was edited by 3-minute rule on 2/17/2012 at 7:35 AM

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                                        • This is getting better.....

                                          now the bill would ban the Pill in VA, but a senator added an amendment that would force men asking for viagra to get a rectal exam. Best part is that the amendment almost passed, lost 21-19.

                                          Now the bill has been postponed.

                                            ColbertRepor

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                                          • ColbertRepor said...

                                            This is getting better.....

                                            now the bill would ban the Pill in VA, but a senator added an amendment that would force men asking for viagra to get a rectal exam. Best part is that the amendment almost passed, lost 21-19.

                                            Now the bill has been postponed.

                                            apparently the viagra part was added in january, and was brought up again today.

                                            VA governor now not sure if he supports the ultrasound. I am thinking he is worried this might knock him off a VP list in a general. This thing will quietly disappear I am guessing.

                                              ColbertRepor

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                                            • The Daily Show finally got around to ripping these retards:

                                              http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-february-21-2012/punanny-state---virginia-s-transvaginal-ultrasound-bill

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