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UVA Lacrosse Murder--Civil Suits Galore

  • "willful deliberate and premeditated", you need all 3. If you think a guy who is getting shitfaced the morning of the murder is " premeditating" then you either haven't been drunk or don't know what you are talking about. Was it a heinous murder by a drunken exboyfriend? Yes. But the he clearly didn't create a plan to kill her, thus it isn't capital murder. More than likely, it was a beating (which he had done before), gone awry/ over the top

      Justerp

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    • If I was planning on killing someone but didn't quite have the balls to go out and do it, getting shitfaced would definitely give me the extra courage needed to get the job done.

      Not saying this is what happened here, but being drunk does not prove it wasn't premeditated.

        Baldwin

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      • Justerp said...

        "willful deliberate and premeditated", you need all 3. If you think a guy who is getting shitfaced the morning of the murder is " premeditating" then you either haven't been drunk or don't know what you are talking about. Was it a heinous murder by a drunken exboyfriend? Yes. But the he clearly didn't create a plan to kill her, thus it isn't capital murder. More than likely, it was a beating (which he had done before), gone awry/ over the top

        Did you not read anything in this thread? you need "willful, deliberate, and premeditated' PLUS one of the aggravators. The statute is on the previous page.

          NYTerp05: i guarantee you my child won't turn out gay

          JemoTerp

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        • Why are you arguing with me if we are both making the point that it isn't capital murder?

            Justerp

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          • Because you got the law wrong. Twice.

              NYTerp05: i guarantee you my child won't turn out gay

              JemoTerp

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            • JemoTerp said...

              Because you got the law wrong. Twice.

              This.

              Besides, premeditation is arguable in this case... a tough sell, but certainly possible for the reasons I listed earlier that'll be used in the first degree murder case. However, the aggravating factors are simply not present.

              Thanks for that lecture though.

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              • HooEver said...

                And sugarmag, they're going that route because it gets them closer to a manslaughter conviction rather than a first degree murder conviction. It's not a pleasant argument and certainly isn't going to make them any friends, but after the contents of the confession, it's pretty much the only card that the defense can play at this point.

                I understand that, the atty. is giving their client the best defense they can. My first thought was if that was my daughter I'd be waiting for the defense atty. outside the courthouse with some choice words just to make her drive home that night a little uncomfortable. I believe the lead for the defense is female and is likely a mom, can't be easy for her.

                  sugarmag

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                • JemoTerp said...

                  Because you got the law wrong. Twice.

                  Actually...I didn't. If there is no premeditation, there is no need to show that there was an aggravating factor.

                    Justerp

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                  • Your claim against premeditation isn't an absolute and is by my observation an opinion. Hardly conclusive.

                      terpevo

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                    • Trial starts on Monday.

                        sugarmag

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                      • sugarmag said...

                        I understand that, the atty. is giving their client the best defense they can. My first thought was if that was my daughter I'd be waiting for the defense atty. outside the courthouse with some choice words just to make her drive home that night a little uncomfortable. I believe the lead for the defense is female and is likely a mom, can't be easy for her.

                        Doubt anything you'd say would make a defense attorney's life more uncomfortable than it might already be ... I'm sure that defense lawyer (like every other one I've ever met) has previously considered and come to terms with the fact that their client's victim has a family.

                        This post was edited by terps99 on 1/31/2012 at 2:53 PM

                          terps99

                        • Justerp said...

                          Actually...I didn't. If there is no premeditation, there is no need to show that there was an aggravating factor.

                          LOL, a regular Clarence Darrow over here.

                            I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right?

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                          • my dad did criminal defense work for about 20 years. while he refused to defend accused child molestors or rapists, he would always point to the fact that every defendant has a right to a fair trial as per the U.S. Constitution.

                              goterpss

                            • PamelaD said...

                              assuming that rich white people = high powered attorneys and poor black people = public defenders, why can't public defenders negotiate plea deals? i mean, almost every case that gets filed in court today ends in a plea/arbitration is possible, so the courts aren't preventing pleas from poor black defendants. so, what is preventing it? are you guys saying that states attorneys are willfully not accepting plea agreements from poor blacks in an effort to get them into prisons? using states attorneys offices are all about saving money and therefore welcome plea deals.

                              i dunno... seems like there's a factor that isn't being captured here. maybe the poor black defendants are not accepting pleas because they think they can get away with it. maybe it's more smarter defendant vs not as smart defendant.

                              Actually a lot of poor Blacks are talked into plea deals by the PD when in fact they may have been able to win the case had they been able to afford better legal counsel. Nothing against PD's.

                                Come on out and get your whoopin!

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                              • DaveJuice said...

                                i cant remember the facts, was it premeditated?

                                lack of anger mgmt and alcohol fueled. Probably did not mean to kill her initially, but lack of full senses probably kept him from realizing the extent of the damage he was doing. Doesn't matter in my book. Good thing for him I'm not the judge.

                                  summer73

                                • goterpss said...

                                  my dad did criminal defense work for about 20 years. while he refused to defend accused child molestors or rapists, he would always point to the fact that every defendant has a right to a fair trial as per the U.S. Constitution.

                                  Exactly. It amazes me that people ignore this tiny little, load-bearing pillar.

                                    fletchterpz

                                  • Interesting opening arguments.

                                    Prosecutors on Wednesday said that a few days before Yeardley Love’s death, George Huguely V sent her an e-mail that said in part: “I should have killed you.”

                                    Commonwealth’s Attorney Warner “Dave” Chapman told jurors at Huguely’s murder trial that the April 30 message was among several in an angry series of e-mails between the on-again-off-again couple, both University of Virginia students, in the spring of 2010.

                                    Late May 3, 2010, prosecutors said, Huguely, of Chevy Chase, broke down Love’s bedroom door, shook her until her head banged against a wall and left her bleeding. Her roommate later found Love, 22, dead, facedown on her bed.

                                    Francis McQ. Lawrence, one of Huguely’s defense attorneys, said Huguely never intended to hurt Love and went to her apartment “to talk, to make up, to work things out.” He said Love’s head never struck the wall, and that the couple, while on the bed together, fell to the floor.

                                    Lawrence said Huguely, who was drunk that night, left Love’s apartment with no sense she had been badly hurt. As Huguely walked out, Lawrence said, he grabbed Love’s computer “to get her to reach out” to him in the morning.

                                    “Everything that happened here was unintended and unexpected,” Lawrence said and left “no reason for George to think” Love was dead or seriously injured.

                                    The interpretations of that night from Chapman and Lawrence came on the opening day of Huguely’s trial on a charge of first-degree murder and five other counts.

                                    The defense all stated that the blood on the sheets/bed and from her nose were from CPR administered by the EMT's.

                                    This post was edited by sugarmag on 2/8/2012 at 1:42 PM

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                                    • LOL at the defense.

                                        ravensnterps

                                      • sugarmag said...

                                        Interesting opening arguments.

                                        Prosecutors on Wednesday said that a few days before Yeardley Love’s death, George Huguely V sent her an e-mail that said in part: “I should have killed you.”

                                        Commonwealth’s Attorney Warner “Dave” Chapman told jurors at Huguely’s murder trial that the April 30 message was among several in an angry series of e-mails between the on-again-off-again couple, both University of Virginia students, in the spring of 2010.

                                        Late May 3, 2010, prosecutors said, Huguely, of Chevy Chase, broke down Love’s bedroom door, shook her until her head banged against a wall and left her bleeding. Her roommate later found Love, 22, dead, facedown on her bed.

                                        Francis McQ. Lawrence, one of Huguely’s defense attorneys, said Huguely never intended to hurt Love and went to her apartment “to talk, to make up, to work things out.” He said Love’s head never struck the wall, and that the couple, while on the bed together, fell to the floor.

                                        Lawrence said Huguely, who was drunk that night, left Love’s apartment with no sense she had been badly hurt. As Huguely walked out, Lawrence said, he grabbed Love’s computer “to get her to reach out” to him in the morning.

                                        “Everything that happened here was unintended and unexpected,” Lawrence said and left “no reason for George to think” Love was dead or seriously injured.

                                        The interpretations of that night from Chapman and Lawrence came on the opening day of Huguely’s trial on a charge of first-degree murder and five other counts.

                                        The defense all stated that the blood on the sheets/bed and from her nose were from CPR administered by the EMT's.

                                        Is it possible to have the defense attorneys incarcerated also?

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                                        • SATerp said...

                                          Is it possible to have the defense attorneys incarcerated also?

                                          I love the argument about stealing the computer when there are probably thousands of text messages of the two "reaching out" to each other.

                                            sugarmag

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                                          • Wait, that guy's name is Francis McQ. Lawrence?

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                                            • Devils0720 said...

                                              Wait, that guy's name is Francis McQ. Lawrence?

                                              Well, he is form Charlottesville. I'll bet $100 where he went to law school.

                                                sugarmag

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                                              • "He's not complicated. He's not complex. He's a lacrosse player," Lawrence said.

                                                Jokes aside, is there any real evidence that he murdered her? In the article I posted it says that it took 2 hours for her to die from her injuries. That does sorta sound like someone who got into a fight with his girlfriend and left thinking she was okay.

                                                edit: I suppose the photos of her after the fact and the corners report will tell one way or the other. I haven't read (or have forgotten) how bad her injuries were. He could have beat the crap out of her or shook her once and she bumped her head. I don't know.

                                                This post was edited by Baldwin on 2/8/2012 at 2:27 PM

                                                Lacrosse Murder Defense: Death Was Accident

                                                The defense attorney for accused murderer George Huguely V essentially conceded in his opening statement that the former University of Virginia lacrosse player killed is ex-girlfriend Yeardley Love, but maintains that it was an accident and is seeking to drop the first-degree murder charge to an involuntary manslaughter charge.

                                                abcnews.go.com

                                                  Baldwin

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                                                • "Huguely's supporters have been dressed in khaki pants, white shirts, navy blazers and colorful ties."

                                                  Isn't this the standard UVgay uniform? How does this attire distinguish them from any other students in the gallery?

                                                    FIRE KEVIN ANDERSON

                                                    NYCTerp05

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                                                  • Can you imagine how drunk he must have been if he had no idea she was badly injured?

                                                      UMTerp

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