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The "Food Desert" Myth

  • LeafeeWolf said...

    What the hell is wrong with you people? I respond to a post that reads "So untrue. Whole, raw foods for the most part are cheep." With a post that shows that calorie for calorie, crap food is, for the most part, cheaper than healthy food.

    the point is that "calorie for calorie" is a stupid metric

    This post was edited by phatphelix on 4/20/2012 at 11:48 AM

    Phatboy if you had any balls I'd meet you at the AFA Boxing gym and have Coach Weichers put some gloves on us.

    phatphelix

  • phatphelix said...

    the point is that "calorie for calorie" is a stupid metric

    How the hell is it a stupid metric?

    Let's say an average 30 year old male needs 2800 calories a day. They can obtain that in produce/healthy food, costing them between $15-20. For the same $15-20, they can get around 6000 calories of mcdonalds. OR, they can get the 2800 calories they need for a mere $8 or so.

    Simply put, as far as food goes, McDonald's costs less than many healthy alternatives.

    LeafeeWolf

  • Because no one assembles a grocery list based on calories

    neal990

  • right. people eat until they're full. i can get just as full eating three bananas as i would eating a big mac, and for less. or, for the price of one mcdonalds value meal, i can buy a loaf of bread and cold cuts and have lunch for a week. of course high-calorie food costs less per calorie. that doesn't mean anything.

    This post was edited by phatphelix on 4/20/2012 at 12:32 PM

    Phatboy if you had any balls I'd meet you at the AFA Boxing gym and have Coach Weichers put some gloves on us.

    phatphelix

  • Or when I'm grocery shopping I think how many meals I'm going to be getting. I thinking "ok took care of dinner for monday and tuesday, what should i get for wednesday?" Not "ok, we're at 1800 calories for monday, can I slip in this box of cheez-its or not.."

    neal990

  • phatphelix said...

    right. people eat until they're full. i can get just as full eating three bananas as i would eating a big mac, and for less. or, for the price of one mcdonalds value meal, i can buy a loaf of bread and cold cuts and have lunch for a week. of course high-calorie food costs less per calorie. that doesn't mean anything.

    How long would you be full after 3 bananas...an hour...two? After that, you would be scrounging for food. In fact, if all you ate were 15 bananas a day (5 bananas, 3 times a day), you would getting very thin, since you wouldn't be getting the calories you need to maintain a healthy weight.

    The fact is that humans don't need any certain amount of grams, ounces, or pounds of food. They need the energy they get from food, and that energy is cheaper from some foods than others.

    LeafeeWolf

  • LeafeeWolf said...

    In fact, if all you ate were 15 bananas a day (5 bananas, 3 times a day), you would getting very thin

    seems like the point when discussing obesity

    This post was edited by phatphelix on 4/20/2012 at 12:50 PM

    Phatboy if you had any balls I'd meet you at the AFA Boxing gym and have Coach Weichers put some gloves on us.

    phatphelix

  • jesus christ, leafee. stop while you're behind. it's a stupid metric, and everyone else agrees.

    RDurr

  • I've spent almost $90 this week on apples.

    aschaefe

  • the original premise is stupid because they say everyone lives a couple miles from healthy food. of course, you could live in barry farm, and you could take two buses each way to go get groceries in eastern market, but i don't count that as easy access. we're generally talking about people that don't own cars. contrast that trip to there being a carry-out on every corner in the ghetto (run by dirty asians, probably).

    RDurr

  • aschaefe said...

    I've spent almost $90 this week on apples.

    jesus, are you living in kansas now or something?

    RDurr

  • and it is entirely untrue that the poor neighborhoods have more access to full service restaurants.

    RDurr

  • LeafeeWolf said...

    How the hell is it a stupid metric?

    Let's say an average 30 year old male needs 2800 calories a day. They can obtain that in produce/healthy food, costing them between $15-20. For the same $15-20, they can get around 6000 calories of mcdonalds. OR, they can get the 2800 calories they need for a mere $8 or so.

    Simply put, as far as food goes, McDonald's costs less than many healthy alternatives.

    I doubt an average 30 year old male needs 2800 calories. Regardless, it's kind of laughable to think one need spend $15-20 a day to eat healthily. It's not that easy to find healthy choices when going out but with a little effort, one can easily do so at home. You don't have to go out ot eat and as phelix alludes to, probably not a great idea to eat McDonalds everyday to combat an obesity problem.

    I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right?

    Omar Little

  • It's late in honeycrisp season. Giant is the only store that seems to have them, and they're asking $3.49/lb. I gotta do what I gotta do.

    aschaefe

  • RDurr said...

    jesus christ, leafee. stop while you're behind. it's a stupid metric, and everyone else agrees.

    Fine, last link. Made my arguments better than I could, anyway:

    "Although people don’t knowingly shop for calories per se, the data show that it’s easier for low-income people to sustain themselves on junk food rather than fruits and vegetables, says the study’s lead author Adam Drewnowski, director of the center for public health nutrition at the University of Washington. Based on his findings, a 2,000-calorie diet would cost just $3.52 a day if it consisted of junk food, compared with $36.32 a day for a diet of low-energy dense foods. However, most people eat a mix of foods. The average American spends about $7 a day on food, although low-income people spend about $4, says Dr. Drewnowski.

    But it’s easier to overeat junk food, Dr. Drewnowski adds, both because it tastes good and because eaters often must consume a greater volume in order to feel satisfied. Still, even those who consume twice as much in junk food calories are still spending far less than healthy eaters.

    “If you have $3 to feed yourself, your choices gravitate toward foods which give you the most calories per dollar,’’ said Dr. Drewnowski. “Not only are the empty calories cheaper, but the healthy foods are becoming more and more expensive. Vegetables and fruits are rapidly becoming luxury goods.”

    LeafeeWolf

  • I read somewhere that people tend to eat consistent volumes of food moreso than consistent amounts of calories. So obviously the same volume of Doritos is going to pack more calories than a similar volume of fruit or vegetables.

    aschaefe

  • aschaefe said...

    It's late in honeycrisp season. Giant is the only store that seems to have them, and they're asking $3.49/lb. I gotta do what I gotta do.

    I also worship Honeycrisps so take my word for it when I tell you that I just discovered the next best apple. Lady Alice. Try one

    1thegame

  • aschaefe said...

    I read somewhere that people tend to eat consistent volumes of food moreso than consistent amounts of calories. So obviously the same volume of Doritos is going to pack more calories than a similar volume of fruit or vegetables.

    exactly

    sure i'll be hungry if i only eat 3 bananas for lunch, but if i eat 2500 calories at lunch at mcdonalds, i'm still going to be hungry and eat something for dinner too. the point isn't cost per calorie. it's how to get full but not go over a target number of calories. you don't have to spend more money to do it either.

    Phatboy if you had any balls I'd meet you at the AFA Boxing gym and have Coach Weichers put some gloves on us.

    phatphelix

  • LeafeeWolf said...

    Based on his findings, a 2,000-calorie diet would cost just $3.52 a day if it consisted of junk food, compared with $36.32 a day for a diet of low-energy dense foods

    this says "high calorie food is less costly per calorie than low calorie food." uh, yeah...

    RDurr

  • 1thegame said...

    I also worship Honeycrisps so take my word for it when I tell you that I just discovered the next best apple. Lady Alice. Try one

    I've had them. I like them. They're no honeycrisp, though.

    aschaefe

  • aschaefe said...

    I've had them. I like them. They're no honeycrisp, though.

    Agreed, nothing is a honeycrisp, I'm just happy to have found a 2nd place go to apple for when Honeycrisps are not available

    1thegame

  • olive oil is healthy. a 2000-calorie diet of olive oil would only cost $3 a day. cheaper than the junk food!

    RDurr

  • Where can I find this Lady Alice apple?

    lazy

  • phatphelix said...

    exactly

    sure i'll be hungry if i only eat 3 bananas for lunch, but if i eat 2500 calories at lunch at mcdonalds, i'm still going to be hungry and eat something for dinner too. the point isn't cost per calorie. it's how to get full but not go over a target number of calories. you don't have to spend more money to do it either.

    What 2500 calorie meal could you eat at McDonalds where you will get hungry again? 2500 calories is a lot even for junk food.

    Coltsfan1832644

  • RDurr said...

    the original premise is stupid because they say everyone lives a couple miles from healthy food. of course, you could live in barry farm, and you could take two buses each way to go get groceries in eastern market, but i don't count that as easy access. we're generally talking about people that don't own cars. contrast that trip to there being a carry-out on every corner in the ghetto (run by dirty asians, probably).

    You can pick and choose particularly isolated neighborhoods but for most poor people regular grocery stores that sell healthy food (not Whole Foods or a farmer's markey or something extreme) aren't far.

    mattw75