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The Dark Knight Rises (WITH SPOILERS)

  • historicus said...

    Second movie was not just as prominent IMO. Harvey Dent and Rachel came up, but the majority of the movie was about the League of Shadows trying to destroy Gotham.

    Yeah but the whole point of Bruce's journey in this movie is that he hasn't moved on from the events of the 2nd movie.

    ScheyerFace

  • historicus said...

    Second movie was not just as prominent IMO. Harvey Dent and Rachel came up, but the majority of the movie was about the League of Shadows trying to destroy Gotham.

    Oh well, I thought they did a good job of tying in both of the previous parts. The first half seemed liked a continuation from the second with Batman coming out of retirement and then the League of Shadows takes over once Bane's attack on the city begins.

    hgoodman

  • I've thought about it a bit longer - probably won't be able to sustain the same level of viewings that I've had with TDK. The trial-and-error climbing scenes, in particular, while incredibly gripping seeing it all for the first time, could end up curbing my attention span after it's all more familiar.

    cathal

  • The more i think about it, Hathaway was really, really good.

    hgoodman

  • She was fantastic. Anytime she was in a scene, I was entertained.

    This post was edited by JManslow on 7/20/2012 at 2:12 PM

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    JManslow

  • hgoodman said...

    The more i think about it, Hathaway was really, really good.

    Probably the best part of the movie.

    theaman

  • theaman said...

    I actually compared it to Star Wars in a way. You had the first movie, which set up the world as was a very solid movie. You have the second, completely epic movie, and then you have the third movie, which was a nice wrap-up, but probably the worst of the three. My friends also compared it to Indiana Jones in that they basically pretended the second movie didn't exist in the third movie.

    I thought about this too. But for me, having The League of Shows in both was kind of like the two Death Stars. Not bad ideas, but a bit of a rehash.

    I can't stop thinking about this movie. I guess that's a good thing, right?

    YankeeTerp

  • I went into the movie thinking nothing could top Dark Knight, but I was blown away and, Ledger's performance aside, thought it was the best of the three. I remember TDK dragging a ton with the Dent/Two-Face stuff, but this flew by for me and I'll probably go see it again within the week (which I've never done). I've never been as engrossed with a movie as I was during the last 30-45 minutes. I feel like as soon as you thought you had a handle on how things were going to turn out, they swept the rug out from under you (which seemed to happen about 10 different times during that period).

    My main complaint is that it was hard to make out a lot of the dialogue over the noise and music, so I feel like I missed a bunch of little things.

    Well, I mean, that’s what it is. I doodoo and then listen to Katy Perry.

    dexterstjacques

  • dexterstjacques said...

    My main complaint is that it was hard to make out a lot of the dialogue over the noise and music, so I feel like I missed a bunch of little things.

    I think I understood maybe 40% of what Bane said. I think the combination of Hardy's accent with the mask made it damn near impossible.

    This felt so much more like a traditional superhero film to me than either of the previous two did, which I thought was pretty disappointing. I also could have done with about 30 minutes of footage cut out. I don't mind a long movie, but I thought this was all unnecessarily bloated.

    fuzzy510

  • hgoodman said...

    The more i think about it, Hathaway was really, really good.

    My immediate reaction is that the only character that was portrayed better in any of the movies in the trilogy was Heath Ledger's Joker. She was perfectly cast.

    Anybody else like that she was Selina Kyle throughout the whole movie, too? Not one mention of her as Catwoman, save for a few allusions in those newspaper headlines as "the Cat"?

    fuzzy510

  • I thought The Dark Knight was better but I liked it more than Batman Begins.

    I also thought Hathaway was oustanding. I was shocked by the Robin announcement.

    Things could have been clearer in the beginning of the movie but the last hour or so was epic.

    theTerpAttorney

  • theTerpAttorney said...

    I thought The Dark Knight was better but I liked it more than Batman Begins.

    I also thought Hathaway was oustanding. I was shocked by the Robin announcement.

    Things could have been clearer in the beginning of the movie but the last hour or so was epic.

    I thought the Robin announcement was kind of awkward and would have preferred to have seen JGL suit up as Robin during the climax of the movie. It isn't like they're going to spin off a Robin franchise. I'm sure they'd make some money, but it wouldn't be worth it and it would be pretty lame.

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    JManslow

  • JManslow said...

    I thought the Robin announcement was kind of awkward and would have preferred to have seen JGL suit up as Robin during the climax of the movie. It isn't like they're going to spin off a Robin franchise. I'm sure they'd make some money, but it wouldn't be worth it and it would be pretty lame.

    Not familiar with many Robin stories, but it's JGL. The theater went nuts when they dropped that.

    cathal

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  • JManslow said...

    I thought the Robin announcement was kind of awkward and would have preferred to have seen JGL suit up as Robin during the climax of the movie. It isn't like they're going to spin off a Robin franchise. I'm sure they'd make some money, but it wouldn't be worth it and it would be pretty lame.

    I know most of the audience wouldn't get it, but I was hoping JGL would be revealed as Terry McGinnis (who has been introduced in the comics.) That would make more sense with the theme of the ending. I also would have liked Tim Drake as the real name.

    I thought this was the worst of the three, although that still leaves plenty of room for it to be a good movie. I know they had issues with Bane's voice initially, but it felt very artificial and out of place. Apparently it was actually Hardy, but I agree it sounded like a bad Connery impression.

    I think Nolan had enough material to do two more movies, but crammed everything into this one. And I think this one suffered a little because of the volume of story Nolan wanted to get through.

    I did like the way Nolan used various comic storylines for parts of this, including the fairly obvious twist and the image of Bane breaking Batman's back.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by ChrispyWF on 7/20/2012 at 8:41 PM

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  • fuzzy510 said...

    My immediate reaction is that the only character that was portrayed better in any of the movies in the trilogy was Heath Ledger's Joker. She was perfectly cast.

    Anybody else like that she was Selina Kyle throughout the whole movie, too? Not one mention of her as Catwoman, save for a few allusions in those newspaper headlines as "the Cat"?

    I think that was intentional, since Nolan wanted to keep the films so dark and the name "Catwoman" just doesn't fit in his world.

    if I was ranking the non-Batman characters in the trilogy, I think I would:

    1. Joker (Ledger)
    2. Alfred (Caine)
    3. Catwoman (Hathaway)
    4. Ra's Al-Ghul (Neeson)

    Caine is the best actor on screen in anything he does. The scenes in TDK when he's describing the jewel thief in the jungle ("Some men just want to watch the world burn") and in TDKR when he's talking about being in the cafe and hoping to see Bruce are two of the best in the entire trilogy.

    Really looking forward to seeing again in IMAX on Monday at a normal hour so I can pay more attention and be less overwhelmed.

    hgoodman

  • I started typing how you're crazy for not including Eckhart in there, and then paused, simply because I don't know who I'd definitively kick out of those 4. I think you could make the case that in most scenes, Bale is outclassed (Or the Batman/Bruce Wayne character is, which is another topic altogether).

    theaman

  • theaman said...

    I started typing how you're crazy for not including Eckhart in there, and then paused, simply because I don't know who I'd definitively kick out of those 4. I think you could make the case that in most scenes, Bale is outclassed (Or the Batman/Bruce Wayne character is, which is another topic altogether).

    The fact Eckart, Oldman, and Freeman are all not mentioned is incredible. Freeman is probably at the bottom of those 7, but I think he did a great job with Fox. And Oldman brings so much gravity to the entire trilogy with his performance that I'm amazed there are so many superior performances.

    And yet, I also find it hard to argue with goodman's list.

    ChrispyWF

  • Freeman didn't have enough material to work with to be higher up. He was always solid and had a couple good one-liners but I never was like "wow, Morgan Freeman is KILLING IT in this role."

    Bale isn't necessarily outclassed in any of his scenes, he's just basically the straight man when paired with Joker, Catwoman, etc.

    I thought Eckhart was a great Harvey Dent, once he becomes Two-Face I thought he kinda veered too far off into the campy territory for me, although that was partially the makeup's fault. That's one of my very few criticisms with TDK, I thought if you're trying to create an incredibly dark, realistic movie version of Batman then you can't have Two-Face looking that deformed. Still, he killed it for like 90% of the movie.

    And Oldman suffers from the same problem as Bale, even more so really, since Commissioner Gordon is the ultimate straight man.

    hgoodman

  • I agree about Freeman, although I thought he nailed Fox perfectly.

    I think Oldman as Gordon did a lot to bring the films back toward reality as Nolan wanted. The escalation speech at the end of Begins is a perfect example.

    ChrispyWF

  • Agreed, he was a solid non-"hero/villain" character. Also really liked Joseph Gordon Levitt, I could buy him as Robin in a future movie. I bet when he saw the script he started envisioning a future of Scrooge McDuck money baths.

    hgoodman

  • The big question is if they have a spinoff if he'll go with classic Robin or Nightwing

    This post was edited by theaman on 7/20/2012 at 9:43 PM

    theaman

  • theaman said...

    The big question is if they have a spinoff if he'll go with classic Robin or Nightwing

    I doubt they'd go through the trouble of doing the Robin name reveal and then not doing the Robin character. There's more money to be made with casual audiences using Robin as opposed to Nightwing, not enough of the casual audience knows the character.

    hgoodman

  • hgoodman said...

    I doubt they'd go through the trouble of doing the Robin name reveal and then not doing the Robin character. There's more money to be made with casual audiences using Robin as opposed to Nightwing, not enough of the casual audience knows the character.

    I don't even think that Nolan will do a Robin film. I think the Robin reveal was to show that someone else will be there to protect Gotham w/o Batman.

    umdterps02

  • hgoodman said...

    Caine is the best actor on screen in anything he does. The scenes in TDK when he's describing the jewel thief in the jungle ("Some men just want to watch the world burn") and in TDKR when he's talking about being in the cafe and hoping to see Bruce are two of the best in the entire trilogy.

    The scene Alfred/Wayne "breakup" scene was awesome. It's the best acting Bale did in the entire trilogy and Caine was superb as always.

    QuakerTerp