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Supreme Court rejects death row inmate Troy Davis' petition

  • RHTB&G said...

    Holy shit:

    Me Provide rationale for Casey Anthony's guilt and Troy Davis' innocent, please.

    Sarah CXXXXX Im not commenting on ur posts anymore u make me think and I dont like to think I just know in my heart whats what

    I really hope for her sake she's at least hot so someone will put up with her shit

    I felt like I should have issued an amber alert for myself, just in case

    DBlockTerp

  • I can understand being against the death penalty but legally he is as guilty as he can be. Again I'm fine with people being against the death penalty but the amount of idiots on FB/Twitter saying he is innocent is sad

    jt082005

  • DBlockTerp said...

    So I guess the question is, should we be executing people when there is any doubt, even "additional, minimal doubt"

    This is my main issue with the whole (and as in whole, I mean the extremely limited knowledge of the case I had never heard of until this week) scenario. I do support the death penalty for the finality and severity of the justice to the victim(s). That and supporting an inmate on a life term costs a significant amount of money.

    I also think it's ridiculous that he had to prove his innocence in a trial that (according to sources: Twitter, etc) featured no hard evidence? You cannot kill a man if there is any microscopic bit of doubt, just cannot do it.

    7erps

  • RHTB&G said...

    Holy shit:

    Me Provide rationale for Casey Anthony's guilt and Troy Davis' innocent, please.

    Sarah CXXXXX Im not commenting on ur posts anymore u make me think and I dont like to think I just know in my heart whats what

    You're friends with Stephen Colbert?!?

    "And I try to har-mo-nize with songs the lonesome sparrow sings... There are no kings inside the Gates of Eden."

    dixonownsyou

  • 7erps said...

    This is my main issue with the whole (and as in whole, I mean the extremely limited knowledge of the case I had never heard of until this week) scenario. I do support the death penalty for the finality and severity of the justice to the victim(s). That and supporting an inmate on a life term costs a significant amount of money.

    I also think it's ridiculous that he had to prove his innocence in a trial that (according to sources: Twitter, etc) featured no hard evidence? You cannot kill a man if there is any microscopic bit of doubt, just cannot do it.

    The cost of life w/o parole vs. execution is a lot closer than you think.

    PantsEnFuego

  • PantsEnFuego said...

    The cost of life w/o parole vs. execution is a lot closer than you think.

    Yeah now that I think back you are right, I remember reading about this and the cost goes into dedicating so much law enforcement/lawyers fees/etc over such a long period of time to gain a conviction with death sentence, and then it takes forever to "close the deal."

    Here is one person's opinion:

    "Executions do not have to cost that much. We could hang them and re-use the rope. No cost! Or we could use firing squads and ask for volunteer firing squad members who would provide their own guns and ammunition. Again, no cost."

    7erps

  • 7erps said...

    Yeah now that I think back you are right, I remember reading about this and the cost goes into dedicating so much law enforcement/lawyers fees/etc over such a long period of time to gain a conviction with death sentence, and then it takes forever to "close the deal."

    Here is one person's opinion:

    "Executions do not have to cost that much. We could hang them and re-use the rope. No cost! Or we could use firing squads and ask for volunteer firing squad members who would provide their own guns and ammunition. Again, no cost."

    Please give Nolaeer attribution credit when you quote him. Also, it's not fair to leave out the 'spanking' quote.

    SATerp

  • 7erps said...

    This is my main issue with the whole (and as in whole, I mean the extremely limited knowledge of the case I had never heard of until this week) scenario. I do support the death penalty for the finality and severity of the justice to the victim(s). That and supporting an inmate on a life term costs a significant amount of money.

    I also think it's ridiculous that he had to prove his innocence in a trial that (according to sources: Twitter, etc) featured no hard evidence? You cannot kill a man if there is any microscopic bit of doubt, just cannot do it.

    You shouldn't read twitter and take it as fact. I posted the actual case procedural history for you to read......I know I know....it's long. Reading some twit's twitter posting takes seconds.

    His trial had a TON of hard evidence. State put on 34 witnesses. He had a trial in which the state had a burden. He as convicted by a jury (majority black the way....so he couldn't use race bias very well.....but that's often made an issue) that took less than 2 hours because the evidence was so overwhelming

    The recantations stuff is VERY misleading. Many of them didn't appear at trial....and signed half baked affidavits. (these don't hold much weight....because some people can be coerced into signing anything.....you can't cross examine a piece of paper). Even still...many of them didn't recant everything...or even the most important thing....they changed aspects of their story. Some more importnant than others to be sure.

    At the end....your final point is the sum of all this. You don't believe their should be a death penalty if there is ".01% doubt". That's a legit point to have......but it's not our legal system. It's not what beyond a reasonable doubt means.

    rthhokie92

  • SATerp said...

    Please give Nolaeer attribution credit when you quote him. Also, it's not fair to leave out the 'spanking' quote.

    lol

    7erps

  • rthhokie92 said...

    The 7 of 9 is simply not accurate when examined to the light of day

    http://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Troy-Davis-ruling-DCt-Part-II-8-24-10.pdf

    Go to page 149. See the summary. In short....the 7 of 9 is not what you say it is.....some of the recantation. Was to minor minor stuff. Most didn't say the police coerced them. As I said....read what a judge said......not the lazy reporter who is quoting amnesty international

    That's exactly what I was looking for. I figured the evidence of his innocence was exaggerated and that's what it seems to be.

    Baldwin

  • 7erps said...

    I also think it's ridiculous that he had to prove his innocence in a trial that (according to sources: Twitter, etc) featured no hard evidence? You cannot kill a man if there is any microscopic bit of doubt, just cannot do it.

    After reading the affidavidt, he didn't have to necessarily prove his innocence, but rather prove that this new evidence would be something that would sway a jury. I guess that's kinda like having to prooce your innocence, but in this case it's made clear that all of the evidence provided would be completely dismissed by a jury because most of the new witness testimony either doesn't mesh with the events of the night or doesn't say he wasn't the shooter.

    Baldwin

  • canadianpotato said...

    Troy Davis may go on to be considered a martyr in the movement to abolish this barbaric practice

    He will be forgotten by next week.

    sniper_terp

  • Baldwin said...

    After reading the affidavidt, he didn't have to necessarily prove his innocence, but rather prove that this new evidence would be something that would sway a jury. I guess that's kinda like having to prooce your innocence, but in this case it's made clear that all of the evidence provided would be completely dismissed by a jury because most of the new witness testimony either doesn't mesh with the events of the night or doesn't say he wasn't the shooter.

    Thanks. This thread has saved me a lot of reading.

    7erps

  • The family believes after 22 years he was able to 'convince himself' he was innocent too

    StewieTerp

  • Good account of what happened during the crime.

    georgia.gov - New Execution Date Set For Troy Anthony Davis

    Welcome to georgia.gov, the State of Georgia's official website. For online access to Georgia government.

    www.georgia.gov

    Baldwin

  • rthhokie92 said...

    he didn't come close to proving actual innocence

    I agree, but I think some people have an issue with him needing to prove his actual innocence -- a concept which, I think we can generally agree, has some tension with out traditional notions of criminal law and procedure. Put differently, he may have been "legally" executed yesterday, but (ignoring the morons on twitter and facebook) there may be many who question whether the existing legal standard is the appropriate one.

    terps99

  • terps99 said...

    I agree, but I think some people have an issue with him needing to prove his actual innocence -- a concept which, I think we can generally agree, has some tension with out traditional notions of criminal law and procedure. Put differently, he may have been "legally" executed yesterday, but (ignoring the morons on twitter and facebook) there may be many who question whether the existing legal standard is the appropriate one.

    I think it's just a bad choice of words. I think all he actually had to do was provide evidence that provided a reasonable doubt that he was guilty. None of the evidence he provided would have been meaningful to a reasonable juror, so there was no need to re-try him.

    Baldwin

  • I'm not sure why there is an issue with proving his innocence. Have to remember where we are in the process. State already proved its case - with 34 witnesses - beyond a reasonable doubt. He was convicted in two hours by a jury of his peers (for those that care...I believe the makeup of the jury was 7 blacks and 5 whites). He had all his appeals. He had all his habeas corpus reviews. This was yet another kitchen sink appeal. The burden isn't on the state any longer be accused had been heard and reheard. The actual innocence isn't a "new trial" nor should it be. It's those rare instances....very very rare..in which new evidence clearly proves innocence. ( likeDNA evidence showing he was in another country at the time if the crime or something.)

    what's amazing is these guys get built up to be some innocent lamb. This dude's street name was RAH. .rough as hell.

    rthhokie92

  • rthhokie92 said...

    what's amazing is these guys get built up to be some innocent lamb. This dude's street name was RAH. .rough as hell.

    Yeah, our hero started all of this by pistol whipping a defenseless homeless guy. Rot in hell you worthless POS.

    mrs boozer

  • Baldwin said...

    I think it's just a bad choice of words. I think all he actually had to do was provide evidence that provided a reasonable doubt that he was guilty. None of the evidence he provided would have been meaningful to a reasonable juror, so there was no need to re-try him.

    No. He brought both an "actual innocence" claim and procedural claims. That's part of the reason it's been to the Supreme Court and back. And at this stage of the process, he functionally would have to prove his actual innocence (although at least some members of the Supreme Court -- perhaps correctly -- believe that even THAT wouldn't have been enough to grant him relief).

    terps99

  • rthhokie92 said...

    I'm not sure why there is an issue with proving his innocence. ... The actual innocence isn't a "new trial" nor should it be. It's those rare instances....very very rare..in which new evidence clearly proves innocence. ( likeDNA evidence showing he was in another country at the time if the crime or something.)

    I agree this guy got his chances and more ... and I don't really have an issue with the execution not being stopped last night.

    But purely as a theoretical / public policy matter, not necessarily the specifics of this case, I'm not sure why it's hard hard see that some have an issue with the legal standard in place.

    For example, I think it's interesting to note that Scalia's opinion in this case rejecting the "actual innocence" argument functionally argued that EVEN IF HE WAS ACTUALLY INNOCENT, it would not have been unconstitutional to execute him. He may be legally correct, but I'm pretty sure a significant number of people would have an issue with that position.

    terps99

  • The language below is from Scalia's dissent, which I include only as food for thought. I don't feel too strongly about it, but I think as a policy matter, many would find troubling the notion that arguably our most well-known and influential Supreme Court justice believes that (i) even if a district court was persuaded by a defendant's claims of innocence, it would have no power to grant relief under federal law, (ii) our Constitution does not forbid the execution of a person who is actually innocent, and (iii) a claim based on actual innocence is not even cognizable.

    -----------------------------------------------------

    Emphasis added:

    Even if the District Court were to be persuaded by Davis’s affidavits, it would have no power to grant relief. Federal courts may order the release of convicted stateprisoners only in accordance with the restrictions imposed by the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996.

    ...

    Davis can obtain relief only if that determination was contrary to, or an unreasonable application of, “clearly established Federal law, as deter-mined by the Supreme Court of the United States.” It most assuredly was not. This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is “actually” innocent. Quite to the contrary, we have repeatedly left that question unresolved, while expressing considerable doubt that any claim based on alleged “actual innocence” is constitutionally cognizable. See Herrera v. Collins, 506 U. S. 390, 400–401, 416–417 (1993); see also House v. Bell, 547 U. S. 518, 555 (2006); District Attorney’s Office for Third Judi-cial Dist. v. Osborne, ante, at 18.

    terps99

  • Good analysis of death penalty debate:

    http://www.slate.com/id/2304140/?fb_ref=fb_like_button&fb_source=home_multiline

    dcterp1

  • Due to legal costs the death penalty is more expensive

    canadianpotato

  • Wherever you fall on the death penalty issue, I'm not sure legal costs should necessarily play a role in deciding the broader moral question.

    terps99