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Scott Walker for President

  • If a union 'inflates' wages and benefits beyond a sustainable business model in the private sector that company will increase the cost of the product or reduce quality(GM). Eventually this catches up with the company and the union and they enter bankruptcy unless the gov't steps in and bails them out (GM). There is a equilibrium that needs to be maintained and usually is.

    The public sector unions have not had this equilibrium to worry about. They continue get more by working to elect the people they negotiate with(unlike private sector) and and the gov't borrows more or increases taxes to pay the cost. The voters are the fulcrum and they are moving in the direction that makes it harder to prop up the public sector unions. There are public sector workers who will spend more time collecting a pension than they worked

    There is a reason even FDR said no to public sector unions.

    This post was edited by StewieTerp on 6/6/2012 at 2:30 PM

    StewieTerp

  • Barone claims exit polls support Wisconsin being in play.

    Exit poll: Wisconsin in play in November - Politics and Public Opinion - AEI

    http://www.aei.org/article/politics-and-public-opinion/elections/exit-poll-wi-in-play-in-november/

    www.aei.org

    Bradleyfan

  • Walker says Romney still an underdog in Wisconsin.

    Scott Walker: Romney Still Underdog in Wisconsin - ABC News

    Republicans scored a big victory in Wisconsin Tuesday, but Gov. Scott Walker says there is

    abcnews.go.com

    Bradleyfan

  • Bradleyfan said...

    Barone claims exit polls support Wisconsin being in play.

    Barone, as usual, is wrong.

    Mark Murray @mmurraypolitics

    It was already re-weighted, 51%-44% RT @HotlineJosh: Michael Barone resamples WI exits to match results, finds Obama 48, Romney 48

    PaulUMD

  • regardless of what the exit polls say....they are the least reliable (with larger marings of error) than most polls.

    Most of the polling in the week to two weeks had Walker up around 5 to 6 points. Walker out performed those polls by about 2 points.

    Those same polls generally had Obama up 3/4 points on avg. A Correction fo two points shows Wisc. within the margin of error. So...Im not so sure I believe that Obama is up close to double digits in Wisc.

    rthhokie92

  • rthhokie92 said...

    regardless of what the exit polls say....they are the least reliable (with larger marings of error) than most polls.

    Most of the polling in the week to two weeks had Walker up around 5 to 6 points. Walker out performed those polls by about 2 points.

    Those same polls generally had Obama up 3/4 points on avg. A Correction fo two points shows Wisc. within the margin of error. So...Im not so sure I believe that Obama is up close to double digits in Wisc.

    Regardless I think it is an indictment of the Republican National Party that they put forth a Candidate like Mitt Romney who despite all of the failures of his first 4 years will probably lose to Barak Obama. (Probably the wrong thread for this but I wanted to hear others thoughts on this)

    Pic Sigs are for losers.

    jgdomino

  • Until the last few years I've always been anti-union. However because of the incredible anti-teacher sentiment which has become so widespread, particularly among policy makers in high-poverty school districts I've changed my position.

    mattw75

  • PaulUMD said...

    Barone, as usual, is wrong.

    Mark Murray @mmurraypolitics

    It was already re-weighted, 51%-44% RT @HotlineJosh: Michael Barone resamples WI exits to match results, finds Obama 48, Romney 48

    Bet ya Obama spends more time there over the next few months than he did in the last two weeks. But hard to bet on >0

    sugarmag

  • Today was the Scott Walker/San Diego Market Rally!

    ConGOTERPS

  • wisconsin terp said...

    I think that Walker ran a very effective race and focused on the one thng that really made sense. The cutting of spending, and the economy. It really was interesting to watch ths unfold over the last year here. The passionate on each side just grew their passon and vitriol over the year much like we have seen with the rest of the country. It really is a lesson to be learned. The one issue that continually people vote with in my mind is their own wallet and how it will effect them. The unions, the conservatives, and certainly the middle class are all looking out for themselves when it comes to whom they choose to lead them. The other lesson is you can not take on big money poiliticians with someone that is less than the best your party has to offer. I'm not really sure who that democrat is in Wisconsin or if they even existed but certainly it was not Barrett. I also was surprised by the 18 % of Obama voters who voted for Walker. That really really surprised me and I would like to hear more of why from that group. And I certainly thnk Wisconsin is in play in November.

    Good post. I think this election will affect public service unions more than it will the outcome of the general election.

    SATerp

  • ConGOTERPS said...

    Today was the Scott Walker/San Diego Market Rally!

    I haven't seen anyone express an opinion on why the market shot up today, but in my mind it's because yesterday, public worker unions took a shot of Gus Fring's offered drink.

    SATerp

  • jgdomino said...

    Regardless I think it is an indictment of the Republican National Party that they put forth a Candidate like Mitt Romney who despite all of the failures of his first 4 years will probably lose to Barak Obama. (Probably the wrong thread for this but I wanted to hear others thoughts on this)

    Um the "Republican National Party" can't just "put forth" whoever it wants as a candidate - otherwise, you'd probably see Paul Ryan or Chris Christie up there right now. You have to make do with who chooses to run, and I don't think any of the other candidates who chose to run would have had a better shot at beating Obama than Romney.

    MisterNiceGuy

  • I think the worm turned when folks understood the situation as; My pay hasn't risen over the last several years. I'm paying more for my health care than before and lord knows what kind of care I will be able to obtain when I retire, and at what cost. My retirement plan hasn't gone up and I proly wont have the type of retirement I was looking forward to having. Look at these public employees whose pay HAS RISEN while mine hasn't. These folks are getting to retire at 55 w/ lifetime incomes close to what they live on now. They will get lifetime health care. And I am the one who is footing the bill for all of this and my govenor tells me that I will have to pay higher taxes so that these folks can keep their expanding benefits?

    ConGOTERPS

  • ConGOTERPS said...

    I think the worm turned when folks understood the situation as; My pay hasn't risen over the last several years. I'm paying more for my health care than before and lord knows what kind of care I will be able to obtain when I retire, and at what cost. My retirement plan hasn't gone up and I proly wont have the type of retirement I was looking forward to having. Look at these public employees whose pay HAS RISEN while mine hasn't. These folks are getting to retire at 55 w/ lifetime incomes close to what they live on now. They will get lifetime health care. And I am the one who is footing the bill for all of this and my govenor tells me that I will have to pay higher taxes so that these folks can keep their expanding benefits?

    I was laughing the other day when I saw part of Gray's DC budget proposal is to pay back workers for furlough days from 2-3 years ago. The council has shot it down 3 times but he's bringing it back again. Tough shit for them.

    I know in Fairfax County the teachers are getting their first raise in 3 years with the new budget. But a lot of posts are right in this thread, union folks are going to have to learn that nothing comes for free. It's going to be real interesting to see O'Malley push the pension obligation back on the counties, certainly MoCo/PG/Baltimore have some financial expertise to attempt to handle it, but I worry about Garrett and some of the Eastern Shore counties who may not. .

    sugarmag

  • mattw75 said...

    Until the last few years I've always been anti-union. However because of the incredible anti-teacher sentiment which has become so widespread, particularly among policy makers in high-poverty school districts I've changed my position.

    when it comes to high-poverty school districts, I am much more anti-parent than I am anti-teacher union. But we cannot take kids out of the their homes too easily, so might as well give the schools as much competition as possible.

    BCiB

  • mattw75 said...

    Until the last few years I've always been anti-union. However because of the incredible anti-teacher sentiment which has become so widespread, particularly among policy makers in high-poverty school districts I've changed my position.

    [WaitingForHogie]Just make sure all those poor kids get a great education, that's what I would do.[/WaitingForHogie]

    "And I try to har-mo-nize with songs the lonesome sparrow sings... There are no kings inside the Gates of Eden."

    dixonownsyou

  • jgdomino said...

    Regardless I think it is an indictment of the Republican National Party that they put forth a Candidate like Mitt Romney who despite all of the failures of his first 4 years will probably lose to Barak Obama. (Probably the wrong thread for this but I wanted to hear others thoughts on this)

    There is an irony in this. Mitt (and John McCain) are the type of candidate that independents and Dems always say they want. Mitt is pretty centerist as Pubs go. He was a Gov. of a pretty blue state. Sure...he has "flip flopped" on some issues to get elected....every does it (Mitt, Kerry, Obama, etc. etc.). I dont think anyone really thinks Mitt is a far right candidate. Neither was McCain. He was the maverick moderate.

    In actuality...its the harder right guys (Reagan and Bush) who end up winning.

    In this hyper partisan, internet and 24 news cycle era we live in.....everyone was going to get this treatment. Obama had a short window if "love" because he had (1) very little record; (2) was great at selling the hope change, and post partisan crap; (3) there were limits to the attacks based on his race because media could/would only go so far; (4) Bush and War fatigue.

    This election is just returning to the 2000 and 2004 norm of very close, deeply divided elections.

    rthhokie92

  • PaulUMD said...

    Barone, as usual, is wrong.

    Mark Murray @mmurraypolitics

    It was already re-weighted, 51%-44% RT @HotlineJosh: Michael Barone resamples WI exits to match results, finds Obama 48, Romney 48

    Maybe I'm missing your point, but Barone's analysis considered a 51%-45% spread.

    Bradleyfan

  • Senate power likely shifts to Dems; Wanggaard pondering recount

    news, local, national, regional, wisconsin

    host.madison.com

    sohlman6

  • BCiB said...

    when it comes to high-poverty school districts, I am much more anti-parent than I am anti-teacher union. But we cannot take kids out of the their homes too easily, so might as well give the schools as much competition as possible.

    In theory I agree with this, but in reality nobody wants to teach in these schools anyhow and the new and incredibly arbitrary teacher evaluations are just making good teachers with options flee to the suburbs/good schools/other professions that much sooner.

    One more year to get my loan forgiveness and I'm out.

    wave

    mattw75

  • Isn't his more symbolic than anything since they are not in session and won't be until after the Nov election where it is expected the republicans, because of redistricting are expected to take it right back? I don't believe anything can happen on 'control' until they are in session?

    StewieTerp

  • sohlman6 said...

    Though taking control of the Senate would be a huge moral victory for the Democrats, they won't be able to do much with it, at least for a while. The Legislature isn't scheduled to convene again until January, and Democrats will have to defend their majority in November's elections.

    Good investment by the Democrats. Spend millions taking one seat in a chamber that won't meet until after the next election. I encourage that.

    This post was edited by SATerp on 6/6/2012 at 4:14 PM

    SATerp

  • sohlman6 said...

    This may only last until November, when the Pubs believe they have an excellent shot to pick up two seats.

    Bradleyfan

  • RichLowry Rendell at bloomberg right now: sounding not sure obama will PA, "its definitely in play"

    Hmmmm ... is this what Rendell really believes or is hoping the Romney team will waste money in PA?

    Bradleyfan

  • PA isn't in play until a Romney(or any other R candidate is +5 or more in the polls). It is an odd 'purple state where it has a hard time voting for a R Pres but has a R controlled legislature and will vote for R Senators.

    StewieTerp