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Republican POTUS Candidate Thread

  • :esquire said...

    Christie might want to think about running in 2012. Bill Clinton contemplated waiting until 96 to run because at the time Bush was pretty strong. But he said eff it, and ran, then recession, Ross Perot and bam he was president.

    Christie seems pretty popular now, what if he waits and Obama has a good 2nd term, some Dem outof the blue becomes a strong candidate, what if things go south in NJ over the next few years.

    OR what if some other Pub beats Obama in 2012, then he can't run until 2020.

    Obama can be beaten by a decent candidate in 2012, Christie shouldn't pass up this chance.

    If I were Christie I would sit this one out. Obama is still likely to win barring a full on depression part deux, especially against this bunch of losers.

    He can then promise to serve only one term as governor, earning him credit as the straight talker/non-political guy, etc., wield his budget axe, hope that when the economy recovers he can take credit for it because of his cuts, etc., then spend his post-gov years getting ready for a 2016 run as the probable front runner. The Dem candidates will be new and relatively unknown, since Hil will probably be too old, Biden as well, and there isn't a whole ton of talent on the bench.

    PaulUMD

  • frode said...

    I think Daniels is being his typical low-key self. I'm not absolutely certain he'll run though, because he's hard to read.

    And to be fair to Daniels, his time as budget director came during, uh, "interesting times". I don't think he should get any of the blame (not even the tax cut thing can be traced to him). Besides, I don't think people are going to judge his candidacy for President by his budget director role under Bush. That's overthinking things a bit. It should also be noted that he has had several roles in an administration, but he did make a great effort as budget director. From Wiki:

    *******

    In January 2001, Daniels accepted President George W. Bush's invitation to serve as director of the Office of Management and Budget (OMB). He served as Director from January 2001 through June 2003. In this role he was also a member of the National Security Council and the Homeland Security Council.

    During his time as the director of the OMB, Bush referred to him as "the Blade," for his noted acumen at budget cutting.[17] The $2.13 trillion budget Daniels submitted to Congress in 2001 made deep cuts in many agencies, with few of the spending cuts actually being approved by Congress.[8] During Daniels' 29-month tenure in the position, the projected federal budget surplus of $236 billion declined to a $400 billion deficit because of an economic downturn and concurrent tax cuts initiated by the Bush administration.[15]

    I'm not saying it's right to toss him in with Bush, but it's an easy ad to make and there's still a Bush stigma, perhaps even moreso on the budget conscious right.

    PaulUMD

  • sniper_terp said...

    Yeah. Thats why she not running. She has no shot to win and her running hurts the republican party.

    She said as recently as yesterday, she hasn't ruled it out. As you obviously agree with, she is as qualified as our current President. That said, I don't think she will run because she doesn't want to take the pay cut. Although if she ran and won she could take a 5 million dollar book advance a week or so before being sworn into office.

    Terpsrule15

  • Yeah you're probably right from an ad standpoint, but I imagine he'll have an equally easy time countering it.

    I think it's probable that whoever gets the nomination will pick one of the current field as their running mate. I don't think we'll see an out-of-the-blue choice like Palin. With such a large field, it'll be important to build a coalition within the party to win the nomination.

    frode

  • I think we'll be surprised and see everyone coalesce around a nominee quickly. My guess is Daniels or Huntsman

    neal990

  • The side story IMO is Romney vs. Huntsman. Their families have been friends for generations, but there was a schism. Both are filthy rich, and Mormon. Huntsman is considered the less-practicing Mormon, if you will.

    There was a good article a few weeks back on this, but I can't remember the source. They are definitely at odds with each other though. I think Romney is going to make it his priority to sink Huntsman first, because he does have very good appeal to moderates.

    frode

  • Trump intrigues me, but I'm afraid he would be a disaster in foreign affairs. I think Newt gets a bad wrap. The rest of those that are declared are awful, but I find it hard to believe Obama wins another term, no matter how many awful candidates the Republicans trot out.

    charmcity3131

  • This election is going to be similar to the 2004 election where there are A LOT of people who want Obama out, but will a strong enough candidate emerge? In 2004, knowing nothing about politics, the only person I thought that could legitimately beat Bush was Gen. Clark because at the time Iraq was the ONLY platform the Dems could really stand on, and having a military guy go up against Bush would have been huge. Of course, he lacked a lot of political experience and really wasn't an overall great candidate, but at the time he was really the only person who could hammer home how bad the Iraq war was.

    "The drummer for Maryland's pep band just freaked out: 'They're trying to slow the game down,' he screamed. 'Get up on them, get up on them.

    Terp02

  • charmcity3131 said...

    Trump intrigues me, but I'm afraid he would be a disaster in foreign affairs. I think Newt gets a bad wrap. The rest of those that are declared are awful, but I find it hard to believe Obama wins another term, no matter how many awful candidates the Republicans trot out.

    He was going to try once before. Maybe in 96 or something. Had a lot of great ideas for the economy and how we are getting screwed by other countries because we always try to play fair and get cheated. Just recently he was saying the WTO screws us all the time. AirBus was cheating by getting govt funds and that isn't allowed. Well the US won the suit but it took over 10 years to win and by that time boeing had lost tons of business. At this point in the game I think he more or less just a clown looking to promote himself. He's not to be taken seriously. I would pick some other business guy like bill gates, paul allen, Dell or someone like that before I would pick him.

    sniper_terp

  • I think whoever the Repubs put up is going to get a decent amount of the vote anyway, because so many people are dissatisfied with Obama including Dems.

    This is 2 years out though, so who knows what'll be like in 2 years.

    One of the first posters nailed it. The POTUS is a terrible job right now, I do not know why anyone would want it.

    quincedawg

  • The only Pub that should scare Obama is Marco Rubio. That dude has serious chops and will be President one day.

    http://www.ghitp.wordpress.com/

    JManslow

  • Does Gary Johnson (NM) have a shot?

    Terpdad75

  • neal990 said...

    I think we'll be surprised and see everyone coalesce around a nominee quickly. My guess is Daniels or Huntsman

    If it ends quickly then it has to be for Romney. Politically, he has the most robust organization by FAR, and any insurgents like the two you mentioned don't have natural constituencies in the early states. Iowa will go for a social right crazy person or Huckabee, I'm not sure anyone can beat Romney in NH (he basically lives there now), NV is whatever and SC is insane and could go anywhere.

    I think it's going to come down to a somebody and Romney by the time they get to the bigger states, and the best thing for those guys to do is to become that somebody. Though I think Pawlenty is most likely to be that guy, but if a Daniels or Hunstman can survive that long, they can start to make the general election argument and both have one to make.

    PaulUMD

  • JManslow said...

    The only Pub that should scare Obama is Marco Rubio. That dude has serious chops and will be President one day.

    I'd put 3-1 or better he becomes someone's running mate in 2012.

    PaulUMD

  • quincedawg said...

    I think whoever the Repubs put up is going to get a decent amount of the vote anyway, because so many people are dissatisfied with Obama including Dems.

    There are a lot of Dems dissatisfied with certain decisions Obama has made, but I wouldn't expect them to start voting Republican, or even to sit out the election. I know because I am one of them. As criticized as Obama has been by the left over Libya and moving to the middle on tax cuts, there are a lot of folks who feel like we are in a lot better place now than we were at the end of W's second term.

    That Bachmann or Palin actually believe they can get elected is a never-ending source of amusement to me.

    skindeep

  • PaulUMD said...

    If it ends quickly then it has to be for Romney. Politically, he has the most robust organization by FAR, and any insurgents like the two you mentioned don't have natural constituencies in the early states. Iowa will go for a social right crazy person or Huckabee, I'm not sure anyone can beat Romney in NH (he basically lives there now), NV is whatever and SC is insane and could go anywhere.

    I think it's going to come down to a somebody and Romney by the time they get to the bigger states, and the best thing for those guys to do is to become that somebody. Though I think Pawlenty is most likely to be that guy, but if a Daniels or Hunstman can survive that long, they can start to make the general election argument and both have one to make.

    At this point I just can't see the GOP selecting Romney. He's their best hope of winning, if you ask me, but what has changed from the last primary that would make him more amenable to the tea partiers and social conservatives? It's not like he is currently governing anything, so he still has to run on his MA record. He is better funded and organized, but he was last time too.

    skindeep

  • skindeep said...

    At this point I just can't see the GOP selecting Romney. He's their best hope of winning, if you ask me, but what has changed from the last primary that would make him more amenable to the tea partiers and social conservatives? It's not like he is currently governing anything, so he still has to run on his MA record. He is better funded and organized, but he was last time too.

    I agree, I don't see him winning. But he's so far out in front in terms of organization and fundraising, and he came in 2nd last time, and the Pubs historically always nominate the next guy in line. He won't win, but he will certainly be the last guy standing who isn't the nominee. So like I said, with the jumbled field behind him, it's all about being the other guy. And I don't know who the tea people and the social conservatives will settle on, because there isn't a one size fits all candidate out there.

    PaulUMD

  • PaulUMD said...

    I'd put 3-1 or better he becomes someone's running mate in 2012.

    The above wouldn't be a bad bet.

    The current list of Pub candidates is weak. If no clear cut favorite emerges, a few others may enter (e.g., Daniels, Christie and/or Ryan). In terms of a head-to-head with Obama, there's a couple that Obama would beat easily (e.g., Palin, Bachmann, Trump and Newt), but the rest of the current field would probably be a close race. The state of the economy will obviously be a big factor. If the Fed doesn't go for QE3, the economy and Obama could have major problems in 2012. The most important poll right now is not Obama vs. Candidate X, it's does Obama deserve reelection. Right now, Obama doesn't fair that well in this poll (see link). If the economy picks up significant steam, then Obama wins regardless of the Pub candidate. If the economy continues to sputter, here's how I see;

    Easy Obama Victory: Palin, Bachmann, Huck, Trump and Newt;

    Closer Race to Obama: Barber and Huntsman;

    Very Close Race: Pawlenty, Romney;

    Close Race slightly favors Pub Candidate: Daniels;

    Pub Candidate Wins: Christie and Ryan.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/81213-52-say-obama-doesnt-deserve-reelection-

    This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by Bradleyfan on 3/24/2011 at 2:54 PM

    Bradleyfan

  • I don't think Christie will rub people the right way when/if he goes national. I know he's already gotten a ton of exposure but not like he'd get if he were getting head to head against Obama. I like Christie because he's not very PC but compared to Obama, he would probably come off as an oaf. I think it would be a close race, but I would be willing to bet he wouldn't beat Obama.

    http://www.ghitp.wordpress.com/

    JManslow

  • Bradleyfan said...

    The above wouldn't be a bad bet.

    The current list of Pub candidates is weak. If no clear cut favorite emerges, a few others may enter (e.g., Daniels, Christie and/or Ryan). In terms of a head-to-head with Obama, there's a couple that Obama would beat easily (e.g., Palin, Bachmann, Trump and Newt), but the rest of the current field would probably be a close race. The state of the economy will obviously be a big factor. If the Fed doesn't go for QE3, the economy and Obama could have major problems in 2012. The most important poll right now is not Obama vs. Candidate X, it's does Obama deserve reelection. Right now, Obama doesn't fair that well in this poll (see link). If the economy picks up significant steam, then Obama wins regardless of the Pub candidate. If the economy continues to sputter, here's how I see;

    Easy Obama Victory: Palin, Bachmann, Huck, Trump and Newt;

    Closer Race to Obama: Barber and Huntsman;

    Very Close Race: Pawlenty, Romney;

    Close Race slightly favors Pub Candidate: Daniels;

    Pub Candidate Wins: Christie and Ryan.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/81213-52-say-obama-doesnt-deserve-reelection-

    That poll doesn't matter any more than any other poll right now. The only thing they say as a whole is the country is just about split on Obama. Once campaign season approaches, people get more in tune to who's running against who and whether O should be given another chance. Hell, I'd bet 10% of that group that is against an O reelect are disaffected liberals who are going to vote for him once some crazy Pub is nominated against him.

    As for your scenarios, I generally agree except I'd downgrade them all one level and completely eliminate Ryan. The Boy Wonder sounds like a good candidate but he doesn't compare well to Obama in personality (and we know that this matters, like it or not), and his deficit hawk persona is betrayed by a lot of his votes during the Bush administration (hello Medicare part D!). And he isn't running anyway.

    Christie would scare me but is still unknown to a degree, as would Daniels but I don't think he's going to run and if he did he won't survive his social policy comments and his short baldness. Pawlenty is both Minnesota nice and boring and Romney is Kerry part 2, but they certainly fit the typical conservative mold and would make it a race.

    PaulUMD

  • I'm pretty dissatisfied at this point with every Pub candidate presented. I may vote for zombie RR.

    SATerp

  • JManslow said...

    I don't think Christie will rub people the right way when/if he goes national. I know he's already gotten a ton of exposure but not like he'd get if he were getting head to head against Obama. I like Christie because he's not very PC but compared to Obama, he would probably come off as an oaf. I think it would be a close race, but I would be willing to bet he wouldn't beat Obama.

    Perhaps, but Ryan and Christie are two Pub candidates that excite the big tent on the right. They poll one and two with the Tea Party folks and generally do well with all the Pubs. Their strengths (i.e., fiscal issues) play with the indys, moderates and some Reagan dems. Unlike some of the other Pub candidates, they will do well preaching the Pubs theme in 2012 -- the Decline of America. All the Pub candidates will champion fiscal responsibility, but the best candidates will be able to dovetail this theme (along with an Obamacare attack, among other issues) into the larger theme of the Decline of America. OTOH, unlike 2008, Obama has a record to defend in 2012. That makes his job on the campaign trail very different and much tougher.

    Bradleyfan

  • frode said...

    The side story IMO is Romney vs. Huntsman. Their families have been friends for generations, but there was a schism. Both are filthy rich, and Mormon. Huntsman is considered the less-practicing Mormon, if you will.

    There was a good article a few weeks back on this, but I can't remember the source. They are definitely at odds with each other though. I think Romney is going to make it his priority to sink Huntsman first, because he does have very good appeal to moderates.

    Washington Post Style section article from a week or so back. It was pretty awesome, and they clearly have whatever the equivalent of "beef" is for rich, white Mormons.

    It's like the most polite Biggie/Tupac feud ever.

    "And I try to har-mo-nize with songs the lonesome sparrow sings... There are no kings inside the Gates of Eden."

    dixonownsyou

  • Pretty good write-up on Pawlenty

    Morning Jay: Tim Pawlenty's Path to the Republican Nomination | The Weekly Standard

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/morning-jay-how-tim-pawlenty-can-win-nomination_555425.html

    www.weeklystandard.com

    frode

  • PaulUMD said...

    That poll doesn't matter any more than any other poll right now. The only thing they say as a whole is the country is just about split on Obama. Once campaign season approaches, people get more in tune to who's running against who and whether O should be given another chance. Hell, I'd bet 10% of that group that is against an O reelect are disaffected liberals who are going to vote for him once some crazy Pub is nominated against him.

    As for your scenarios, I generally agree except I'd downgrade them all one level and completely eliminate Ryan. The Boy Wonder sounds like a good candidate but he doesn't compare well to Obama in personality (and we know that this matters, like it or not), and his deficit hawk persona is betrayed by a lot of his votes during the Bush administration (hello Medicare part D!). And he isn't running anyway.

    Christie would scare me but is still unknown to a degree, as would Daniels but I don't think he's going to run and if he did he won't survive his social policy comments and his short baldness. Pawlenty is both Minnesota nice and boring and Romney is Kerry part 2, but they certainly fit the typical conservative mold and would make it a race.

    The fact that most people haven't focused on candidates yet is exactly why the poll on Obama's reelection is more important than the head-to-head polls. Most people have seen Obama in action for over two years now and know whether they like his policies or not. The head-to-head will become meaningful when the Pub field has become one, that candidate has been embraced by the Pubs and the public is able to compare and contrast his/her policies with Obama's.

    Regarding Ryan, he probably won't run, but stranger things have happened. There's no reason for him to put his name in now. He has more than enough personality to do fine against Obama. I can see a personality argument with Daniels but not Ryan. Plus, Obama doesn't always come off well when has to defend himself or his record, which he will have to do in 2012, unlike 2008.

    If I was a Dem, I would not want to see either Ryan on Christie in 2012. As a Pub, those are my first two choices. Just my opinion.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Bradleyfan on 3/24/2011 at 4:10 PM

    Bradleyfan