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Christie might want to think about running in 2012. Bill Clinton contemplated waiting until 96 to run because at the time Bush was pretty strong. But he said eff it, and ran, then recession, Ross Perot and bam he was president.
Christie seems pretty popular now, what if he waits and Obama has a good 2nd term, some Dem outof the blue becomes a strong candidate, what if things go south in NJ over the next few years.
OR what if some other Pub beats Obama in 2012, then he can't run until 2020.
Obama can be beaten by a decent candidate in 2012, Christie shouldn't pass up this chance.
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frode said...
I think Daniels is being his typical low-key self. I'm not absolutely certain he'll run though, because he's hard to read.
And to be fair to Daniels, his time as budget director came during, uh, "interesting times". I don't think he should get any of the blame (not even the tax cut thing can be traced to him). Besides, I don't think people are going to judge his candidacy for President by his budget director role under Bush. That's overthinking things a bit. It should also be noted that he has had several roles in an administration, but he did make a great effort as budget director. From Wiki:
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In January 2001, Daniels accepted President George W. Bush's invitation to serve as director of the Office of Management and Budget (OMB). He served as Director from January 2001 through June 2003. In this role he was also a member of the National Security Council and the Homeland Security Council.
During his time as the director of the OMB, Bush referred to him as "the Blade," for his noted acumen at budget cutting.[17] The $2.13 trillion budget Daniels submitted to Congress in 2001 made deep cuts in many agencies, with few of the spending cuts actually being approved by Congress.[8] During Daniels' 29-month tenure in the position, the projected federal budget surplus of $236 billion declined to a $400 billion deficit because of an economic downturn and concurrent tax cuts initiated by the Bush administration.[15]
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charmcity3131 said...
Trump intrigues me, but I'm afraid he would be a disaster in foreign affairs. I think Newt gets a bad wrap. The rest of those that are declared are awful, but I find it hard to believe Obama wins another term, no matter how many awful candidates the Republicans trot out.
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PaulUMD said...
If it ends quickly then it has to be for Romney. Politically, he has the most robust organization by FAR, and any insurgents like the two you mentioned don't have natural constituencies in the early states. Iowa will go for a social right crazy person or Huckabee, I'm not sure anyone can beat Romney in NH (he basically lives there now), NV is whatever and SC is insane and could go anywhere.
I think it's going to come down to a somebody and Romney by the time they get to the bigger states, and the best thing for those guys to do is to become that somebody. Though I think Pawlenty is most likely to be that guy, but if a Daniels or Hunstman can survive that long, they can start to make the general election argument and both have one to make.
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At this point I just can't see the GOP selecting Romney. He's their best hope of winning, if you ask me, but what has changed from the last primary that would make him more amenable to the tea partiers and social conservatives? It's not like he is currently governing anything, so he still has to run on his MA record. He is better funded and organized, but he was last time too.
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Bradleyfan said...
The above wouldn't be a bad bet.
The current list of Pub candidates is weak. If no clear cut favorite emerges, a few others may enter (e.g., Daniels, Christie and/or Ryan). In terms of a head-to-head with Obama, there's a couple that Obama would beat easily (e.g., Palin, Bachmann, Trump and Newt), but the rest of the current field would probably be a close race. The state of the economy will obviously be a big factor. If the Fed doesn't go for QE3, the economy and Obama could have major problems in 2012. The most important poll right now is not Obama vs. Candidate X, it's does Obama deserve reelection. Right now, Obama doesn't fair that well in this poll (see link). If the economy picks up significant steam, then Obama wins regardless of the Pub candidate. If the economy continues to sputter, here's how I see;
Easy Obama Victory: Palin, Bachmann, Huck, Trump and Newt;
Closer Race to Obama: Barber and Huntsman;
Very Close Race: Pawlenty, Romney;
Close Race slightly favors Pub Candidate: Daniels;
Pub Candidate Wins: Christie and Ryan.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/81213-52-say-obama-doesnt-deserve-reelection-
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JManslow said...
I don't think Christie will rub people the right way when/if he goes national. I know he's already gotten a ton of exposure but not like he'd get if he were getting head to head against Obama. I like Christie because he's not very PC but compared to Obama, he would probably come off as an oaf. I think it would be a close race, but I would be willing to bet he wouldn't beat Obama.
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frode said...
The side story IMO is Romney vs. Huntsman. Their families have been friends for generations, but there was a schism. Both are filthy rich, and Mormon. Huntsman is considered the less-practicing Mormon, if you will.
There was a good article a few weeks back on this, but I can't remember the source. They are definitely at odds with each other though. I think Romney is going to make it his priority to sink Huntsman first, because he does have very good appeal to moderates.
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PaulUMD said...
That poll doesn't matter any more than any other poll right now. The only thing they say as a whole is the country is just about split on Obama. Once campaign season approaches, people get more in tune to who's running against who and whether O should be given another chance. Hell, I'd bet 10% of that group that is against an O reelect are disaffected liberals who are going to vote for him once some crazy Pub is nominated against him.
As for your scenarios, I generally agree except I'd downgrade them all one level and completely eliminate Ryan. The Boy Wonder sounds like a good candidate but he doesn't compare well to Obama in personality (and we know that this matters, like it or not), and his deficit hawk persona is betrayed by a lot of his votes during the Bush administration (hello Medicare part D!). And he isn't running anyway.
Christie would scare me but is still unknown to a degree, as would Daniels but I don't think he's going to run and if he did he won't survive his social policy comments and his short baldness. Pawlenty is both Minnesota nice and boring and Romney is Kerry part 2, but they certainly fit the typical conservative mold and would make it a race.
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