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Oh and thanks to gsterp in helping me tweek some roles and what not before the game went up. Big big help. He had an idea for a Brooklyn Brawler type jobber character too that was interesting but I didn't feel like trying to work him into this game

It was this game. You were the cop (forget which role), and MLK Jr was the the angel in the person of redwing.

Pretty sure it came down to a RNG at the end between mafia and independent. The independent won (Napoleon, played by ellis).

Civs were in control until that round. I forget which role you were as the cop though.

According to the link I sent you, normal range of mafia is 25-33% of total players. This game had 5 of 22. With the recruiter, assume 50% to recruit = 5.5 mafia. That's at the low end of the range.

With just a cop and plain BG, that's probably close to even, maybe 55/45 civs. Add a deputy, and it swings towards the civs. Add a second BG, it swings farther towards the civs. Let the BGs protect themselves, swings farther. Let the BGs talk to themselves, another underrated but significant swing. Block another night kill with BBM, smallish swing but another easily claimed confirmed civ is significant. Civ vig is small, but adds another easily claimed confirmed civ. Add another investigator looking for ROCKER, swings farther towards the civs.

Already accounted for recruiter and silencer has minimal real effect. Godfather is powerful, but doesn't make up for all above.

You know how we know? Everything went perfect for the godfather, he was about as clear as a godfather can get, and he still wouldn't have had a chance to win even if the recruiting had worked.

60/40 was being generous. And that's still before we half the 40 with the Undertaker role.

That was the night after I was silenced too. Fox showed up BG the round before that taking a hit for Hammer, and my defense of Fox was only like 4 pages back. I was 100% sure I was getting hit at night the round parlay went, but I had protected myself night 3, so I couldn't do it again night 4 and I placed it on Hammer.

I wanted to kill Eaglez very early and often. It continually got glossed over.

Additionally, I thought BG was the BG for the exact same reasons you listed above Eagles about how you tried to keep attention from yourself. I thought Toogs was trying to talk about what the BG should do to make us think he wasn't the BG.

BTW, Eagles, you have me down to a T, and I hate it.

I'm not missing that. I'm saying that if those breaks that went well for the civs went mafia's way instead, mafia was still screwed.

Let's rewind to when I got lynched. Assume hammer hits a civ instead of me, and let's say we get lucky and hit the BG instead of parlay. I'm still alive, we recruit an extra member and you have another civ confirmed by hammer’s investigation. Also assume SLT gets modkilled. At that point the numbers are:

4 mafia (1 Godfather, 1 Rocker, 2 goons)

1 indy

1 cop
1 deputy
1 person who can investigate for rocker
4 confirmed clear civs (QT, Leafee, Parlay, whomever hammer investigated instead of me)
1 regular civ

Mafia's best case:
Day 5, mislynch reg civ, kill hammer, no cop investigation (dies with hammer)
Day 6, lynch Indy(no uncleared civs left), kill dxl, no cop investigation (dies with dxl)

You’re left with 4 mafia, Civ Rocker and 4 cleared civs. Civ Rocker has the results of three investigations to work with.

Even if hammer missed me, AND we got lucky and hit the BG, you would have had to miss all four mafia three times in a row from a pool of 7 unknowns. <3% chance of that if picking randomly.

That’s not balanced.

At least in that game he was the angel and should have been allowed to role claim. However, that is not a defense, since your rules were clear, just more understandable.

Has anyone ever run a Lost theme game here?

Last post, just trying to get all the brainstorming out there: not just legendary teams: Legendary sports figures where the teams were mafia (college teams mafia 1/pro teams mafia 2), and the players and sports figures the civs. With a couple of independents thrown in.

The Simpson one beak did I think had everyone with some kind of "special" role. Mine was regular civ but some kind of quirk.

That one was a lot of fun.

3 weeks ago I thought I was done for the summer modding because I'm training someone to do my job when I leave at the end of summer, but she isn't starting until July 1st, so I would have time for one more if no one is going to pull the trigger for next week.

Go for it. I liked your concept of historical figures you talked about on the Wake board.