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  • I am moving to NYC in a month! Is east village liveable or is it more nightlife and loud drunks roaming the streets late at night? I think gramercy is my #1 choice but want to give other areas a look.

    chlurker

  • chlurker said...

    I am moving to NYC in a month! Is east village liveable or is it more nightlife and loud drunks roaming the streets late at night? I think gramercy is my #1 choice but want to give other areas a look.

    Its livable for sure. I love that area, but it is not for everyone. Where is work?

    ColbertRepor ●

  • We're going to need a full report on keegs and sully's Luger trip.

    aschaefe

  • ColbertRepor said...

    Its livable for sure. I love that area, but it is not for everyone. Where is work?

    Territory is downtown area, from tribeca up to union sq. When you say east village not for everyone, what do you mean? I understand it is not a white collar area, it also looks like mostly walkups, and a lot of bars and restaurants, not pretentious. Thats great but I would want to be on a relatively quiet street or not live above a bar, for instance i would never have lived in adams morgan for those reasons.

    chlurker

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    Im ready for aa 5th of vodica to end my feels.

    JJBittenbinder

  • terpinnyc said...

    Finding an apartment in Manhattan is one of the most maddening experiences in real estate. You can outsource the debacle to an agent, but you'll end up paying 12-15% of a year's worth of rent for their troubles, which oftentimes is them simply turning a key and opening a door. Forking over $4k for 30 mins of effort is not a nice feeling. Plus, they're slimy humans, just detestable.

    Like most real estate transactions, this one works on an asymmetry of information. They know where the apartments are, you don't. This is why craigslist is popular, but can be time consuming and frustrating. Many listings are agents disguising themselves.

    After more than a decade of apt. searching in Manhattan, I've found the best way is to locate a neighborhood you like, and walk into buildings to try and find information on vacancies. Look for superintendent numbers posted on walls and call them to find empty apartments, talk to doorman, ask if they are rentals of co-op/condo. You will also see buildings that hang vacancy signs when they have available apartments. Also use resources like craigslist and the village voice (new listings published Tuesdays). This is a time consuming and high-effort process, but it's how I've found the best apts for the best price.

    In my opinion, door men buildings are not worth the premium they charge.

    As far as neighborhoods, the UES is documented accurately in this thread, I lived there for six years, but have since moved steadily south. The commute on the 4,5,6 is soul crushing (literally and figuratively) and you'll have moved to the 'burbs by the time they finish the new second ave. line. Transit was the primary reason I finally migrated south. I found myself doing nothing on the UES other than sleeping, with work, friends, bars, dining and everything else happening further south on the island.

    Assuming you're 20s/30s, single, interested in an active social life and working downtown, I'd check other neighborhoods as well.

    The East Village: still funky and bohemian, and more pricey than the UES. Tends to get more dodgy as you move east into alphabet city. For my money the best restaurants block by block in the city, lots of great bars, the archetype of what people consider to be NYC.

    Union Square: to me, this is the city center. Spiraling outward you have great neighborhoods, great eats, great bars, and anything and everything you could want, including a central transportation hub. I particularly like the blocks off University just south of the square. There are also a lot of rentals along Park Ave South, just north of the square. Again, more expensive than the UES, but significantly more convenient.

    Financial District: tons of new inventory means lower prices. Most new analysts I get tend to live down here, so a lot of recent college grads. Probably the most "dead" of all Manhattan neighborhoods, really thrives during business hours, but not much going on during the weekends. You would likely find yourself commuting north for your social activities. The far west side has a lot of newly developed green space and is quite nice, though much more family oriented.

    Gramercy/Murray Hill: As you move up the east side form the village through the 20s and 30s. More bang for you buck here, also more families (Gramercy) and college grads (Murray Hill). Much less "edgy" than the village, though still plenty of good restaurants, tons of sports bars, good convenience factor.

    I've never been a fan of the outer boroughs, if you're going to live in NYC, live in NYC. I've also found that the convenient locations in Brooklyn tend to be the same price points as what you'll find in Manhattan.

    Obviously there are a ton more neighborhoods, these are but a few.

    Good luck!

    here's my take on the neighborhoods in question...again.twocents

    terpinnyc

  • depending on where you are in the EV, you can be pretty far from the subway. The area has actually grown on me and has definitely matured in the last 10 years. I think when Flops first moved lived down there about that time there were no sports bars.

    goterpss

  • goterpss said...

    depending on where you are in the EV, you can be pretty far from the subway. The area has actually grown on me and has definitely matured in the last 10 years. I think when Flops first moved lived down there about that time there were no sports bars.

    Im not sure if terpnyc's excellent breakdown covers this, but which of those areas is best for a 30 yo male who will be pounding 25 yo womens on the reg? The mean streets of gramercy looked promising and the neighborhood bars between it and union square were fantastic, but that could be par for the course as far as Manhattan is concerned. Trying to avoid the college crowd, 25-30 age group is my target market. Are UES bars just as fun and lively as other areas? Or does everyone go to East or West Village thurs-sat?

    This post was edited by chlurker on 12/21/2011 at 4:05 PM

    chlurker

  • first off, realize that people that go out to bars/clubs/lounges on friday and saturday nights in manhattan is mostly the bridge and tunnel crowd. nothing wrong with going out on those nights or the bridge and tunnel crowd, but that's what you're going to get. Yeah, the grammercy, union square, flatiron area is prob a good call. The EV is still very hipster-ish.

    terpinnyc's post, now that i read it, only addresses the east side of manhattan. Chelsea and the West Village are probably the most expensive and sought after neighborhoods in the city.

    I'd say grammercy/union square is your best bet for what you're looking for.

    goterpss

  • Your first sentence sounds like Manhattan people dont go out on the weekends, or they don't go out in Manhattan. Summer, ok hamptons, what do they do in the winter? pirate

    This post was edited by chlurker on 12/21/2011 at 4:22 PM

    chlurker

  • Just throwing it out there, though the island snobs won't like it - if you have a job that's going to require you to be downtown on both the west and east side, the best place to live in terms of commuting is in Brooklyn near the Borough Hall subway stop. Brooklyn heights/downtown brooklyn/cobble hill are awesome neighborhoods, have cheaper options than living in the west or east village, and you can walk to the 2/3/4/5/A/C/F trains.

    NYCTerp05: i guarantee you my child won't turn out gay

    JemoTerp ●

  • chlurker said...

    Your first sentence sounds like Manhattan people dont go out on the weekends, or they don't go out in Manhattan. Summer, ok hamptons, what do they do in the winter? pirate

    go out to dinner, movies, private parties. The real good nights to go out in Manhattan to the "cool" places are during the week. Saturday brunch is also huge. And this is not your grandmother's brunch, this is dancing on tables at 7pm because you've been drinking since noon. Going out on the weekends is fine, but you are going to think you are in the cast of the Jersey Shore.

    goterpss

  • if I leave near 86th subway on UES is there an express at all times or only during rush hour? Is living by the express stop a big plus if you are going downtown or not enough to sway from being near a local stop?

    chlurker

  • goterpss said...

    terpinnyc's post, now that i read it, only addresses the east side of manhattan. Chelsea and the West Village are probably the most expensive and sought after neighborhoods in the city.

    True, which is why I didn't cover them for new arrivals on budgets. I also find the W. Village has a much higher rate of the B&T crew than the E. Village, at all times, not just the weekends.

    Plus, I know the east side best, write what you know!

    terpinnyc

  • chlurker said...

    if I leave near 86th subway on UES is there an express at all times or only during rush hour? Is living by the express stop a big plus if you are going downtown or not enough to sway from being near a local stop?

    express at all times, though they come much frequently during rush hour...except when there is some sort of random track work, which is a risk at any stop on any line.

    Per my roundup, the commute from the UES is not nice (I believe goterpss takes a private van/bus). I lived on 81st & Lex for six years. I remember routinely having to wait for two or three trains at 86th before I could get on. And when I did finally get on, sardine city. Every. Day.

    terpinnyc

  • Taking the 1 on the UWS is pretty easy/convenient. I'm at 87th and never have to wait more than 10 minutes leaving from Midtown around midnight.

    hgoodman

  • terpinnyc said...

    express at all times, though they come much frequently during rush hour...except when there is some sort of random track work, which is a risk at any stop on any line.

    Per my roundup, the commute from the UES is not nice (I believe goterpss takes a private van/bus). I lived on 81st & Lex for six years. I remember routinely having to wait for two or three trains at 86th before I could get on. And when I did finally get on, sardine city. Every. Day.

    If commute was such a downside, what made you stay there 6 years? Sure it had redeeming qualities.

    chlurker

  • the worst part of 86th street is that it looks like you are living in Queens. You can find deals in and around there because of that.
    The UES north of 81st street is a different area, but the benefits of the UES is the neighborhood feel, clean/safety, proximity to the park and midtown, and the somewhat quietness. You're not getting any of that at 86 and Lex (except for the safety).

    I work 20 blocks from my apt so walk most of the days or take bus or cab.

    goterpss

  • hgoodman said...

    Taking the 1 on the UWS is pretty easy/convenient. I'm at 87th and never have to wait more than 10 minutes leaving from Midtown around midnight.

    West Side has great train service. The 2/3 is legit. Also, aren't you living near CPW? A widely slept on train (no pun intended) is the C. When i lived on the UWS i took that every day downtown.

    goterpss

  • Yeah I take the B to work and get off at 30 Rock. Never have to even go outside -- those tunnels are great.

    hgoodman

  • chlurker said...

    Sure it had redeeming qualities.

    cheap rent and a general aversion to moving...when it crossed the $1000 threshold, I was out.

    In all my years here I have yet to come across a smaller, more pathetic apartment then my little slice of paradise on 81st & Lex that I started renting at $855/mo.

    But when you're 22 and living on your own in Manhattan, it's all good.

    I certainly am not meaning to dissuade you from the UES, it certainly has it's charms, cheap(er) rent being one of them. It's just my opinion that farther south on the island will be more in line with your desired lifestyle and have an improved convenience factor.

    edited to add: Central Park is a HUGE benefit of living up there, I still miss it.

    This post was edited by terpinnyc on 12/22/2011 at 12:23 PM

    terpinnyc

  • The blue trains are so shitty. I'm so glad I have the oranges.

    balderdash

    ZackGreinkeTerp

  • terpinnyc is right about the park. Can't stress how great it is walking a block to take my dog there every day.

    hgoodman

  • a few notes about all of this posting....

    first, G$ you need to get out more and to different places. there are plenty of people who live in the city who go out on the weekends. of course there are places where people from LI and NJ go. plenty of places with locals all around.....though you are right about brunch.

    An area of UES that is a little underrated by some is Carnegie hill. You can still walk to the expres at 86th, but get a good neighborhood feel. 88th to 96th between 3rd and Madison. East of that you have 2nd which is a big construction site and 1st which has the projects up there.

    You can join me and the wife in Hells Kitchen.....little more crowded, but love the convenience of all the subway lines crossing near by.

    ColbertRepor ●

  • ColbertRepor said...

    You can join me and the wife in Hells Kitchen.....little more crowded, but love the convenience of all the subway lines crossing near by.

    I moved to Hell's Kitchen at the end of August after 5 years of living with roommates in Midtown East.

    It's definitely not as "in" as WV or Chelsea but there are still plenty of bars and restaurants on 9th Avenue. All the conveniences of a neighborhood are within 2 blocks of me- supermarket, pharmacy, Irish bar, etc (strangely, these things can be hard to find in the so-called cool neighborhoods). I work by Rockefeller Center so I have an easy walkable commute.

    This area is definitely not your parents' Hell's Kitchen; it's as safe as any other part of the city now (brokers are trying to change the name to Clinton). One thing to be careful for- a lot of gays who got priced out of the above-mentioned areas are moving into the neighborhood. Def more of a presence then I thought before I signed the lease.

    NYCTerp is now OCTerp

    NYCTerp05

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